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Apparitions of "Mary"

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Rhamiel

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I like GT better then the mariology sub forum, um first off the Catholic Church is not a Church run by apperitions, what criteria should be used? scripture and sacred tradition. Each apperition is examined in depth by the Church before any support is given, all visions are assumed to be false at first
 
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How can those who believe in man's consciousness in death reject what comes to them as divine light communicated by glorified spirits? Is this a channel regarded as sacred, through which Satan works for the accomplishment of his purposes? Do the fallen angels who do his bidding appear as messengers from the spirit world?
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Paul testifies that before the second advent of Christ there will be manifestations of satanic power. The coming of the Lord is to be preceded by "the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9,10. And the apostle John, describing the miracle-working power that will be manifested in the last days, declares: "He doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do." Revelation 13:13, 14. No mere impostures are here foretold. Men are deceived by the miracles which Satan's agents have power to do, not which they pretend to do.

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The prince of darkness, who has so long bent the powers of his mastermind to the work of deception, skillfully adapts his temptations to men of all classes and conditions. To persons of culture and refinement he presents spiritualism in its more refined and intellectual aspects, and thus succeeds in drawing many into his snare.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God has expressly forbidden all pretended communication with departed spirits. In the days of the Hebrews there was a class of people who claimed, as do the spiritualists of today, to hold communication with the dead. But the "familiar spirits," as these visitants from other worlds were called, are declared by the Bible to be "the spirits of devils." (Compare Numbers 25:1-3; Psalm 106:28; I Corinthians 10:20; Revelation 16:14.) The work of dealing with familiar spirits was pronounced an abomination to the Lord, and was solemnly forbidden under penalty of death. Leviticus 19:31; 20:27.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Satan has long been preparing for his final effort to deceive the world. The foundation of his work was laid by the assurance given to Eve in Eden: "Ye shall not surely die." "In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:4, 5. Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time. Says the prophet: "I saw three unclean spirits like frogs; . . . they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Revelation 16:13, 14. [/FONT]
 
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Medjugorje. 1984
is popular but not accepted,
God gave us all the things we need to know and visions are to help personal devotion, look at the three ones excepted by the Catholic Church. They are all focused on makings a persons devotion to Christ greater or warn a people or nation about the consequences of there actions. not to bring new doctrine
 
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Little by little he has prepared the way for his masterpiece of deception in the development of spiritualism. He has not yet reached the full accomplishment of his designs; but it will be reached in the last remnant of time.

Yes it is quite a masterpiece of deciption.
 
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Medjugorje. 1984
Fatima. 1917
Loudes. 1858
Guadalupe. 1531

Where will "Mary" appear next?
What/who determines if these apparitions are really Mary?
What criteria should be used?
What if "Mary" told you that your belief in XYZ was wrong?



When a person dies they go either to heaven or hell.

They are not allowed to "come back" to earth.

Apparitions are demon's.

The motive is to deceive people and lead them away from Jesus as He is the only way to the Father God, Heaven and eternal life.:)
 
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When a person dies they go either to heaven or hell.
What do you mean, "a person"? What is your authority for such a belief?

They are not allowed to "come back" to earth.
Did Lazarus come back? If so, where was he? (See John 11)
Did Eutychus come back? If so, where was he? (See Acts 20)
 
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Fatima, Lourdes, and Guadalupe are accepted, I'm pretty sure. Try and deny the healing power of Lourdes holy water, or tell the hundreds of eyewitnesses at Fatima that they really didn't see the sun dancing in the sky, or everyone who saw the mystical flowers that Juan Diego brought back from the mountain near Guadalupe.
 
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UMMM, messagesfrom Mary like look to Jesus, repent of your sins trust in my Son.
Could Satan even say these things? even if he added filth and confusion and lies latter could Satan say "Christ is Lord"? does not the bible say that all who say Christ is Lord are being influenced by the Holy Ghost?
Judge the apperitions from what you know from the Bible, sure the Bible says that some apperitions will come from Satan, but it does not say all. Look at the messages in each instance and judge for yourself if it is from God or from Satan
 
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I don't know enough about Lourdes and Guataloupe. They could be real. I won't rule it out. But what I have a problem with is people who take it too far and see Mary in everything. A few years ago, we were visiting friends in Florida, and there were people sitting in lawn chairs, coming for miles to look at an 'apparition' of Mary in an oil slick on the side of a building. Now, I know the church sure wouldn't authorize that...but do you see how it can be taken too far, so therefore it puts a bit of doubt on the 'real' ones?
 
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Try and deny the healing power of Lourdes holy water, or tell the hundreds of eyewitnesses at Fatima that they really didn't see the sun dancing in the sky, or everyone who saw the mystical flowers that Juan Diego brought back from the mountain near Guadalupe.
I don't deny "healing power" and I don't deny what eyewitnesses saw. I do deny the source of such.
According to the scriptures, Mary is dead and unable to communicate with the living.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun.
 
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"One cannot confess Christ is Lord except from the holy spirit"..St. Paul

That makes it impossible for these miracles to be false.. it would be a contradiction in terms..

Fatima also said that if the country didn't turn their act around fast(do penance, believe in Christ), espesially Russia, there would be a WWII..and thats exactly what happened.. so also there is a fulfillment of prophecy, another true mark..


P.S. - In medjodore many many people are converted everyday. Many protestants have converted to Catholicism because of the things they have seen.. Satan wants people to become athiest and not believe in Christ, not the opposite..

What is this Juan deigo incident about?? I have not read about this yet..


Also there have been tons of miracles that the CC has deemed false.. They investigate crying statues every month..and not many come out real..The vatican also sends doctors and scientists also to view an object, xrays, 24 hour survelance, you name it..I was reading Catherine Anne Emmerichs book on the life and revelations, the vatican sent doctor after doctor to view her stigmata and see if they were self inflicted or if there was anything suspicious.. I believe even one stayed with her for a while to see if they would heal up.. There is also a chapter that talks about the dried blood flakes and something great happened, but I havent gotton to that chapter yet..

The RCC and the vatican gave St. Padre Pio an extremely hard time before they finally regonized him also.. they even told people not to go to his masses anymore .. trust me on this.. the vatican is not easy on miracles, they are very VERY hard and skeptical..
 
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What I find fascinating is not one person looks at Paul's conversion.

He saw Christ after His Resurrection....so Christ was an apparition to Paul.
Yet everyone takes it upon faith he was telling the truth and read his words as Gospel truth. ;)

It was by Pauls' manner that led the Apostles to accept him. He was a murderer and so we know Christ chooses who will be choosen.

The apparitions of Mary, whom HE chooses as messenger, is looked at with a fine tooth comb. And if it measures up it is acceptable to believe.

Bernadette, who saw Mary at Lourdes is incorruptible.
ONLY God has the power to keep a body from decay, and preserved with a warmth to the touch as though she is sleeping, and pleasant odor surrounds her.

God shows His might. His Mother is His messenger. To state otherwise is saying God doesnt use WHOM He will use.

He sent angels to Lot, and an angel to Mary, to others as well.

The apparitions have been faithful to the teachings.

Is it any wonder ppl outside the Church do not see apparitions of Christ?
They wouldnt believe it. :sigh:
 
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