Apparently Joe Arpaio was innocent of the charges - after all

[cow451]

Yes -- why must we TRUE Americans suffer the rulings of judges that thwart the Will of Donald?

Because you're losers! Tragic!

 

[rjs330]

Did Arpaio round up every brown person in his county? I don't think so. If he didn't then he had a reason why he picked up certain ones. It was because they were suspected of being illegal. If so he could pick them up. I'm not saying he did all the right things in the right way. He should have had a narrow set of circumstances by which suspected illegals could be detected and picked up. He was addressing a serious problem. Profiling is a legitimate way to begin an investigation.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Did Arpaio round up every brown person in his county? I don't think so. If he didn't then he had a reason why he picked up certain ones. It was because they were suspected of being illegal. If so he could pick them up. I'm not saying he did all the right things in the right way. He should have had a narrow set of circumstances by which suspected illegals could be detected and picked up. He was addressing a serious problem. Profiling is a legitimate way to begin an investigation.

lol, what kind of twisted logic is that? Because he didn't manage to get all of the brown people means that he didn't target some people for being brown? Hitler didn't manage to get all of the Jews, either.

This whole thing got kicked off when Arpaio chose to detain a *legal* immigrant for 9 hours - an immigrant who had papers and presented them to the deputies, who then ignored the papers.

 

[rjs330]

lol, what kind of twisted logic is that? Because he didn't manage to get all of the brown people means that he didn't target some people for being brown? Hitler didn't manage to get all of the Jews, either.

This whole thing got kicked off when Arpaio chose to detain a *legal* immigrant for 9 hours - an immigrant who had papers and presented them to the deputies, who then ignored the papers.

No but Hitler sure tried to get all the Jews didn't he? Arpaio didn't out stars on Hispanics chests kick down Hispanics doors or round them up enmasse off the streets. Not really the same thing at all.

And the legal immigrant was turned loose right? He wasn't shipped off to Mexico or killed in a gas shower.

I'm not defending Arpaio's deputies for ignoring the legals papers. They should have let him lose as soon as he produced them.

Do you know how many illegals they discovered?

 

[iluvatar5150]

No but Hitler sure tried to get all the Jews didn't he? Arpaio didn't out stars on Hispanics chests kick down Hispanics doors or round them up enmasse off the streets. Not really the same thing at all.

Arpaio doesn't have the manpower to pull that off and has to at least pretend to maintain some sort of compliance with the constitution. Unfortunately for the Sheriff, he didn't fake it well enough.

Your assumption that he was targeting these folks based on some other criteria doesn't jive with the facts of the case or the findings of the court.

 

[TLK Valentine]

lol, what kind of twisted logic is that? Because he didn't manage to get all of the brown people means that he didn't target some people for being brown? Hitler didn't manage to get all of the Jews, either.

This whole thing got kicked off when Arpaio chose to detain a *legal* immigrant for 9 hours - an immigrant who had papers and presented them to the deputies, who then ignored the papers.

The only thing that stopped Joe was that he was only one person -- perhaps Donald can make him the next AG and give him an army to do it right this time.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

He was addressing a serious problem. Profiling is a legitimate way to begin an investigation.

Profiling may be legitimate, but racial profiling is not. See, for example, the FBI guidelines on racial profiling:

• In making routine or spontaneous law enforcement decisions, such as ordinary traffic stops, Federal law enforcement officers may not use race, ethnicity, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, or gender identity to any degree, except that officers may rely on the listed characteristics in a specific suspect description. This prohibition applies even where the use of a listed characteristic might otherwise be lawful.

• In conducting all activities other than routine or spontaneous law enforcement activities, Federal law enforcement officers may consider race, ethnicity, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, or gender identity only to the extent that there is trustworthy information, relevant to the locality or time frame, that links persons possessing a particular listed characteristic to an identified criminal incident, scheme, or organization, a threat to national or homeland security, a violation of Federal immigration law, or an authorized intelligence activity. In order to rely on a listed characteristic, law enforcement officers must also reasonably believe that the law enforcement, security, or intelligence activity to be undertaken is merited under the totality of the circumstances, such as any temporal exigency and the nature of any potential harm to be averted. This standard applies even where the use of a listed characteristic might otherwise be lawful.

(Source)

 

[lasthero]

This whole thread is just a repetition of the facts being presented and Joe's supporters ignoring said facts.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This whole thread is just a repetition of the facts being presented and Joe's supporters ignoring said facts.

Donald's supporters, you mean -- to support Joe is to support the Donald who has bestowed so much upon him.

 

[super animator]

I see a sweet irony in this. By giving him a pardon, Trump basicly doomed him, as accepting a pardon is admission of guilt (supreme court ruling). That definitely be used as a basis in civil court.

 

[Maren]

No but Hitler sure tried to get all the Jews didn't he? Arpaio didn't out stars on Hispanics chests kick down Hispanics doors or round them up enmasse off the streets. Not really the same thing at all.

And the legal immigrant was turned loose right? He wasn't shipped off to Mexico or killed in a gas shower.

I'm not defending Arpaio's deputies for ignoring the legals papers. They should have let him lose as soon as he produced them.

Do you know how many illegals they discovered?

But Joe didn't turn loose the legal immigrant, he turned the person over to ICE along with the others he'd detained, and ICE turned him loose. How would you feel if your local sheriff detained you, despite the fact you proved your innocence to him before he detained you, and you were only released when you were turned over to the FBI for federal prosecution? Would the fact that you were eventually released make up for the fact you were illegally detained in the first place, particularly when you lost most of a day locked up?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do you know how many illegals they discovered?

Doesn't matter how many innocents the Enforcers harass as long as they catch a crook now and then, does it?

 

[rambot]

Did Arpaio round up every brown person in his county? I don't think so. If he didn't then he had a reason why he picked up certain ones. It was because they were suspected of being illegal. If so he could pick them up. I'm not saying he did all the right things in the right way. He should have had a narrow set of circumstances by which suspected illegals could be detected and picked up. He was addressing a serious problem. Profiling is a legitimate way to begin an investigation.

I look forward to your being picked up on suspicion of being a mass murderer in the near future.
Heck....I guess I will get picked up too!

Any white males? Heads up! Next time there's a mass shooting, you're at the front of the cue. And don't bother hiding in your house because they'll find you.

 

[rambot]

I see a sweet irony in this. By giving him a pardon, Trump basicly doomed him, as accepting a pardon is admission of guilt (supreme court ruling). That definitely be used as a basis in civil court.

Can any of his victims seek compensation legally?

 

[rjs330]

Can any of his victims seek compensation legally?

I certainly hope so because if the ONLY reason they were picked up was because of their brown skin then they deserve compensation. But I suspect there is more to it than "oh look there is an Hispanic male at the Tasty Freeze. Let's toss him in jail until we find out if he's legal or not."

 

[lasthero]

But I suspect there is more to it than "oh look there is an Hispanic male at the Tasty Freeze. Let's toss him in jail until we find out if he's legal or not."

On what do you base this suspicion?

 

[szechuan]

On what do you base this suspicion?

e z when they look Mexican
When they can't speak English
When they are brown
When they eat a burrito
They they eat real tacos not from Taco Bell

Oh but not Taco Bowls because even Joe knows Taco Bowls aren't from Mexico

 

[DaisyDay]

I certainly hope so because if the ONLY reason they were picked up was because of their brown skin then they deserve compensation. But I suspect there is more to it than "oh look there is an Hispanic male at the Tasty Freeze. Let's toss him in jail until we find out if he's legal or not."

You keep glossing over this salient point - they found out he was legal BEFORE they tossed in jail - which has notoriously abominable conditions - and held him there anyway, then turned him over to the FBI, even though he had his legal papers.

When a poor person gets arrested, he can get fired for not showing up at his job, then lose his lodgings being unable to pay rent because of losing his job. This is not a trivial matter.

 

[wing2000]

You keep glossing over this salient point - they found out he was legal BEFORE they tossed in jail - which has notoriously abominable conditions - and held him there anyway, then turned him over to the FBI, even though he had his legal papers.

When a poor person gets arrested, he can get fired for not showing up at his job, then lose his lodgings being unable to pay rent because of losing his job. This is not a trivial matter.

....which is the very reason local police should not be involved with immigration activities. The Judge found the abuse (of legal residents/citizens) was "systematic" across Maricopa County Sheriff Organization's immigration enforcement operations.

 

[AirPo]

He

Was brought to court for holding a citizen under suspicion for being illegal. I haven't read that court case. The court ordered him to stop holding suspected illegals. Which IS legal. You hold them and ICE checks them out. You don't have to prove they are illegal before holding. The judge ordered him to stop. I don't care who the judge was. He was legislating from the bench telling him to stop holding illegals or suspected illegals. He was telling him not to uphold the law.

Are you one if this who believes in letting illegals come here?

It saddens me to think of the emotional/mental distress that folks who support Arpaio and Trump must be under to have come up with such convoluted alternative realities. Their coping skills have got to be maxed out.