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Not so obvious. In fact I would consider that a unique interpretation, and not supported to any degree by any scripture.
"Those Gifts" are given as the Spirit wills - see verses already quoted - and are given by God to the church - Still is happening 2,000 years later because the church is here 2,000 years later.If what you are saying is true, then have you ever ask yourself why no one is even bothered to offer anyone with those gifts today, anything, to "pass those gifts", whatever they are?
"Those Gifts" are given as the Spirit wills - see verses already quoted - and are given by God to the church - Still is happening 2,000 years later because the church is here 2,000 years later.
It happens every Sunday in churches world wide. People are filled with the Holy Spirit.
The infilling of the Spirit happens continuously -
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Your statement on Philip was off topic -Since you are not addressing my statement, alright then, we can agree to disagree about this.
This is the topic of the thread.Definitions?
I have heard the term "Apostolic Power" used a number of time over the last 35 years or so.
I thought this would be a good discussion to have.
Let's do our best to be kind to one another - tender hearted
- What is it?
- What does it look like in real life?
- Was it only for the 12?
- Did the 84 other Apostles in the New Testament operate in it?
- Is there a modern day Apostle flowing in this power?
Your statement on Philip was off topic -
So many problems with that question. For starters, I'm not Simon the Sorcerer, so I have no idea why he made his decisions.So why didn't Simon made him that same offer he did when he met peter and John later?
when I hear the word power juxtaposed to the word apostolic I envision people wanting the spiritual powers to alter reality, afflict detractors, stuff like that.Definitions?
I have heard the term "Apostolic Power" used a number of time over the last 35 years or so.
I thought this would be a good discussion to have.
Let's do our best to be kind to one another - tender hearted
- What is it?
- What does it look like in real life?
- Was it only for the 12?
- Did the 84 other Apostles in the New Testament operate in it?
- Is there a modern day Apostle flowing in this power?
So many problems with that question. For starters, I'm not Simon the Sorcerer, so I have no idea why he made his decisions.
Where do i find this in Scripture - and what are the laws of physics in the new heaven and new earth. I don't remember ever reading anything like this, but If you can show it to me in Scripture I am willing to learn.What it is, is a spiritual connection to the creator that surpasses what born again Christians already have. Its power is based on the laws of physics in the new heaven and new earth that are yet to come.
First point to examine is when the apostles are called first fruits of the new creation, and that we are called new creations.Where do i find this in Scripture - and what are the laws of physics in the new heaven and new earth. I don't remember ever reading anything like this, but If you can show it to me in Scripture I am willing to learn.
When did that happen? Chapter and verse please.First point to examine is when the apostles are called first fruits of the new creation, and that we are called new creations.
Citation showing it's exclusive connections to Apostolic power please.Another good point is what Jesus said "what can be done" with even a little faith (anything).
Citation showing it's exclusive connections to Apostolic power pleaseAnother good thing to observe is when Jesus teaches to pray, one of the concepts is "may your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." this illustrates God's will is already done as soon as He wills it in Heaven.
Citation showing it's exclusive connections to Apostolic power please.Yet another thing to take note of is when it is written, of while they were yet speaking or before they even asked God answered the prayer. Since God teaches as a base, "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you" this speaks to His environment .. in that before God speaks, there are results. However, at what point it came to this, I do not know .. as it is also written, He spoke of things that were not as though they were .. when He created everything.
The references are peppered throughout the scripture, but made clearer in the new testament writings. The above is what came back to remembrance, but "what I said" was based on a lot of "coming back to remembrance" over the years.
Where do I find this in Scripture - and what are the laws of physics in the new heaven and new earth. I don't remember ever reading anything like this, but If you can show it to me in Scripture I am willing to learn.
That requires creating an event out of biblical silence. The overall context of the Bible is that Phillip was no less capable than any other disciple then and now.So instead of saying that my view is "not supported to any degree by any scripture", can I invite you to agree with me that "there is some support in scripture, in the way Simon reacted to Peter and John vis a vis Phillip, but just not to a degree that will convince someone like yourself"?
Would that be a more reasonable conclusion?
I actually don't care if there are apostles, I just posted information I remembered from the scriptures because that's the topic of the thread. I posted some stuff, but am not really interested in continuing an interrogation. The things I posted were to spark ideas so you could continue your own research on the topic.When did that happen? Chapter and verse please.
Citation showing it's exclusive connections to Apostolic power please.
Citation showing it's exclusive connections to Apostolic power please
Citation showing it's exclusive connections to Apostolic power please.
I may be a little dense - but I fail to see any connection whatsoever to anything remotely close to an answer to this question:
and/or anything remotely close to what "Apostolic Power" is supported in Scripture
Thank you for your thoughts....I actually don't care if there are apostles, I just posted information I remembered from the scriptures because that's the topic of the thread. I posted some stuff, but am not really interested in continuing an interrogation. The things I posted were to spark ideas so you could continue your own research on the topic.
That requires creating an event out of biblical silence. The overall context of the Bible is that Phillip was no less capable than any other disciple then and now.
How is the Bible saying nothing, not silence? The Bible does not say why Simon did not offer Philip money. If it does, please cite the chapter and verse.It is hardly silence since scripture did tell us Simon made an offer to Peter and John, but not to Phillip.
But I can see you are determined to believe that Phillip the deacon was no less capable than any of the 12., even when I still offered you an "out" where you can still disagree, in that conclusion.
Alright then.
How is the Bible saying nothing, not silence? The Bible does not say why Simon did not offer Philip money. If it does, please cite the chapter and verse.
But you want us to draw a conclusion not in evidence. No thanks.All I am saying is that scripture recorded
Of course the Bible did not say "why", that was not my point.
- Simon did not make an offer to Phillip to get that power but
- Simon made an offer to Peter and John to get that power
But you want us to draw a conclusion not in evidence. No thanks.
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