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Apollo Astronaut: Climate Alarmism Is the ‘Biggest Fraud in the Field of Science’

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"You go out and take a look at it and you find out that a lot of it is pure nonsense and wishful thinking on the part of the alarmists who are looking for more and more money to fall into their hands."

"Don't believe it just because your professor said it. You gotta go take a look at it. Go back and look at the history of temperature and carbon dioxide, and you look at the value of carbon dioxide, and how it's a benefit today."

Apollo Astronaut: Climate Alarmism Is the ‘Biggest Fraud in the Field of Science’ | CNS News
 

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Aw, WA, give us something harder to debunk next time.

The man is a venture capitalist in offshore drilling ventures.

Venture Capital, Real Estate, Offshore Pipeline and Consulting Engineering Industries: Chief Executive and Senior Operating Positions.

Obviously his comments are based on enlightened (?) self-interest.

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I don't know why people insist on keeping their heads in the sand and ignoring this crisis. It breaks my heart when I look at my kids and think of their future and any kids they might have.

Likewise.

Unfortunately, with the growing popularity of UKIP here, I worry Climate Change may become a political issue, rather than a scientific one here also.
 
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And previous big changes have nearly wiped out life, and drove species into extinction. The earth will survive, but there's no guarantee humans will.
Wouldn't liberals welcome that since they are always saying that they want fewer humans on the planet?
 
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Wouldn't liberals welcome that since they are always saying that they want fewer humans on the planet?

Obviously concern about overpopulation is the same thing as wanting humanity extinct.

I really wish people would take an honest look at the conditions around the world, look with a trained and unbiased eye at the evidence and do the math before instead of only looking out their window before declaring that climate change is a hoax or that global population is declining (as has been suggested here by other posters).
 
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Maybe it's because I have young kids, or because of my education in math and engineering and work experience in oil and gas giving me a perspective of both sides of the issue, but when I look at the data it terrifies me. Perhaps it's God breaking His silence or my conscience nagging me, but its time for me to be more active in fighting this global crisis.
 
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The climate has always been changing. It's nothing new.

People have always been dying. So, why should we do anything about new people dying? It's nothing new.

Here's what I truly don't understand. Let's say that the people alarmed about climate change are wrong. What is the worst that happens from cutting down on the use of fossil fuels, investing in alternative energies, and the like? Oil companies lose some profit? I don't know, I'd really like you to tell me. But, if we're right, and everybody who's fought against it are the ones who are wrong, the results are catastrophic.

I feel like one side is playing Russian Roulette and the other side is trying to talk them out of pulling that trigger.
 
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Obviously concern about overpopulation is the same thing as wanting humanity extinct.

Just a major portion of humanity extinct.

I really wish people would take an honest look at the conditions around the world, look with a trained and unbiased eye at the evidence and do the math before instead of only looking out their window before declaring that climate change is a hoax or that global population is declining (as has been suggested here by other posters).

Oh, believe me, a lot of people have. And they still don't buy it. It's too bad you don't listen to them as open-mindedly as you do those promoting AGW.
 
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People have always been dying. So, why should we do anything about new people dying? It's nothing new.

Here's what I truly don't understand. Let's say that the people alarmed about climate change are wrong. What is the worst that happens from cutting down on the use of fossil fuels, investing in alternative energies, and the like? Oil companies lose some profit? I don't know, I'd really like you to tell me. But, if we're right, and everybody who's fought against it are the ones who are wrong, the results are catastrophic.

I feel like one side is playing Russian Roulette and the other side is trying to talk them out of pulling that trigger.

Since pretty much the whole world and all economies run on oil-based energy, and nothing on the horizon to replace oil in any meaningful way, a drastic attempt to force people to give it up will create much more of a catastrophe, with millions more dying or becoming impoverished than any climate scenario would. Meantime, their predictions are wildly off, and history has shown that life on the world does much better when it is warm than when it is cold. Irrational hatred of the oil companies is not a good excuse in my book to banish oil.
 
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Since pretty much the whole world and all economies run on oil-based energy, and nothing on the horizon to replace oil in any meaningful way, a drastic attempt to force people to give it up will create much more of a catastrophe, with millions more dying or becoming impoverished than any climate scenario would. Meantime, their predictions are wildly off, and history has shown that life on the world does much better when it is warm than when it is cold. Irrational hatred of the oil companies is not a good excuse in my book to banish oil.

Trust "brewmama" or the 97% of climate scientists that agree.......


I have to go with the people who's specialized knowledge and testing allows them to back up what they're saying with verifiable data and not random Republican poster who has said things in the past that force me to question their knowledge in this area.

Also, just like gun control, why do people jump to the "THEY'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY MY OIL!!!" instead of what is called for which is an investment in other energies and looking at ways to reduce CO2.
 
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Trust "brewmama" or the 97% of climate scientists that agree.......


I have to go with the people who's specialized knowledge and testing allows them to back up what they're saying with verifiable data and not random Republican poster who has said things in the past that force me to question their knowledge in this area.

Also, just like gun control, why do people jump to the "THEY'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY MY OIL!!!" instead of what is called for which is an investment in other energies and looking at ways to reduce CO2.


you do know that the "97% of climate scientists" was, I think, 89 or so people? out of over 5000 asked? I'd have to look up the exact number. Don't take my word for it. There are plenty of excellent books out there. Lots.


"verifiable data" !!! That's funny!!
 
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you do know that the "97% of climate scientists" was, I think, 89 or so people? out of over 5000 asked? I'd have to look up the exact number. Don't take my word for it. There are plenty of excellent books out there. Lots.


"verifiable data" !!! That's funny!!

Ok, you got me. Let me say it right:

97% of published peer-reviewed scientific papers that took any kind of a stance on climate change has stated that it is occurring and it is man made. Once people like this astronaut start publishing peer-reviewed papers that show his findings, methods of finding the data, and drawing proper conclusions from them, I will pay attention to him.

If your response is some kind of conspiracy theory in the scientific community, save your breath.
 
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There ARE alternatives to oil, you know. 496,805 square kilometers of the earth's surface--mostly in isolated desert areas, if covered with solar panels, could provide enough energy to power the entire world in 2030.

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Something that no doubt causes this well-educated astronaut/venture capitalist for offshore drillers to unsurprisingly let greed trump his common sense when discussing global warming.

Solar panels are getting less and less expensive, and while oil producers will continue to grab every bit of profit they can by staying just a tad cheaper than competing energy sources, at some point common sense will prevail (probably in industrialized countries where it is in greater supply).

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Apollo astronauts being well known for their expertise in climate science.
To be fair, most people who lecture me on climate change aren't exactly experts in the field either.

But they have the acceptable conclusions, which proves that they know what they are talking about I guess.

My thought on the matter is that pretty much no one knows the first thing about the climate. The weather system of the earth is infamously one of the most complex things that we try to analyze, and to make predictions over a long term is incredible difficult. Not necessarily impossible, but also not something which can be boiled down to a simple argument. So unfortunately this field is really only available to those people willing to put a long time in studying physics, meteorology, dynamical systems, partial differential equations, computer modeling, etc. Every successful model requires each of those fields in nontrivial ways, which makes it difficult for a layman (even one with some experience in one of those fields) to follow the results.

The best that we can hope to do is to keep track of what the current predictions are and see if they come true.

97% of published peer-reviewed scientific papers that took any kind of a stance on climate change has stated that it is occurring and it is man made. Once people like this astronaut start publishing peer-reviewed papers that show his findings, methods of finding the data, and drawing proper conclusions from them, I will pay attention to him.

If your response is some kind of conspiracy theory in the scientific community, save your breath.

I am a mathematician and I have seen colleagues take stances in their papers about climate change, even though their research is at best tangentially related to it. Why do they do it? Because climate change is a hot item now and it is easy to get funding if you mention it.

If you know anything about academia you will know that research is determined primarily by funding. You will also know that "peer review" is sadly not always a measure of quality control due to certain journals which practice a sort of quid pro quo, if I let your paper slip through then you'll let my paper slip through, sort of arrangement. It's a consequence of the number of departments that require X number of papers per year for tenure or advancement without worrying so much about the quality of the papers (especially since these decisions are often made by a dean or provost who doesn't necessarily know anything about the subject, eg. a Dean of Science who is actually a Chemist reviewing the work of a Psychologist, and thus cannot judge the quality himself).

This makes it very easy for trends to occur and stick around. In fact, I think at this point there are probably more mathematicians than physicists writing about String Theory, simply because it became an easy way for mathematicians to get funding.
 
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I am a mathematician and I have seen colleagues take stances in their papers about climate change, even though their research is at best tangentially related to it. Why do they do it? Because climate change is a hot item now and it is easy to get funding if you mention it.

Ok. Fair enough.

Do you believe there's enough science out there to suggest it isn't happening and that our expanded use of CO2 isn't causing problems?
 
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