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Are you saying that Christ only paid for the sins I committed before I came to faith and then after that I have to work out my own salvation, through my works?

How much of my salvation depends on Christ and how much depends on me?

I do not believe OSAS.
A person cannot claim to be a Christian and then later become a Satan-worshipper and still expect salvation.


What if I forget to repent for one of my sins?
Does that mean I automatically lose my salvation?


Can you go a week without committing any sin at all?

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BABerean2 said in post #81:

Are you saying that Christ only paid for the sins I committed before I came to faith . . .

No, for sins committed after coming to faith can also be forgiven. But only so long as they are repented from. For Hebrews 10:26-29 shows that truly saved people, people who have truly been sanctified by Jesus' sacrificial blood (Hebrews 10:29), which sanctification requires faith (Acts 26:18b, cf. Romans 3:25-26), can, after they get saved, wrongly employ their free will to commit sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26). By doing this, these saved people are unwittingly trampling on Jesus and his sacrificial blood, and doing despite unto the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29), turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4), so that their ultimate fate will be worse than if they had never been saved at all (2 Peter 2:20-22). Even though Jesus' sacrificial blood is sufficient to forgive all sins (1 John 2:2), it actually forgives only the sins of believers which are past (Romans 3:25-26), as in sins which have been repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9,7). Jesus' sacrificial blood does not remit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29). So a saved person can in the end lose his salvation if he wrongly employs his free will to commit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46).

Some Christians feel that Hebrews 10:26-29 is not for Christians. But note that the immediate context of Hebrews 10:26-29 is Hebrews 10:25, which is addressing "we" saved people. Hebrews 10:25-29 is the same idea as Hebrews 3:13: Saved people need to gather together and exhort each other so that no saved person will fall into any unrepentant sin. For any unrepentant sin will ultimately result in the loss of salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46, Matthew 7:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21; 2 Peter 2:20-22, Romans 8:13; 1 John 5:16, James 5:19-20).

One way that a saved person could come to desire to commit sin without repentance would be if he finds a particular sin to be very pleasurable, so pleasurable and so fulfilling (in the short term) that he continues in it over time until his heart becomes hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Hebrews 3:13), to where his love for God grows cold because of the abundance of iniquity (Matthew 24:12), to where he quenches the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), to where he sears his conscience as with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:2), to where he becomes so infatuated with his sin that he can no longer endure the sound doctrine of the Bible (such as the doctrine of Hebrews 10:26-29), but instead latches onto a mistaken, man-made teaching which contradicts the Bible (2 Timothy 4:3-4), such as the mistaken teaching which assures believers that there is no way that they can ever lose their salvation, even if they sin without repentance.
 
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Its really simple. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

The point is, just because a man goes to church and says I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE, doesn't mean HE BELIEVES.

If a person truly BELIEVES he will have fruit to show for it. Just saying you believe, doesn't mean you do. If you believe in Christ, there should be FRUIT.

Meaning, no one is going to get to heaven by professing Jesus but serving Satan.
 
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Revealing Times said in post #83:

If a person truly BELIEVES he will have fruit to show for it.

Not necessarily. For note that John 15:2a refers to truly saved people, who are branches in the vine of Jesus, wrongly employing their free will in such a way that they fail to produce good fruit, so that ultimately they are taken away from Jesus (John 15:2a), cut off from him for their unrepentant laziness, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30).

Truly saved people can also be ultimately cut off from Jesus, cast away, and burned; they can ultimately lose their salvation, for not abiding in Jesus (John 15:6), in the sense of committing apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 2:12b), or for wrongly employing their free will to commit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46; 1 Corinthians 9:27).
 
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