AOG, Most Popular? No, just the "greatest"

[rocknanchor]

By impatient fruits, people ask me all the time, 'Why do you still uphold the Assembly of God denomination?' Well, where else are you going to find these raw gems straight from the will of God, by which we godly "covet"?

"But covet earnestly the best gifts, , but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, , " (1 Cor 12:31, 14:5).

It is by their spiritual vacuum the opposition still wishes to diminish these by "a more excellent way." even though He said 'don't' (1 Cor 14:39).

No! not only is the resulting "excellence" incorporated with that godly "covet", it is ALL SEALED IN THE WILL OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS (1 Cor 2:2)!

So as it is written, while the gifts may "cease" and at times prophesies may "fail", they are NEVER to be disposed of, thank God!

 

[Richard T]

AOG is pretty popular to me. At least the numbers are growing while many other denominations are in decline. I like their doctrine as well. Glad you have an earnest desire for the gifts and the other things of God.

 

[Pioneer3mm]

Pentecostals/Charismatics
- 644 millions
- 1/4 of total Christians
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Info. from:
'Status of Global Christianity'
*Mid-2024

 

[rocknanchor]

Near universally, by that I mean nearly all Christendom defends their intention to following the Apostle:

I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. (1 Cor 2:2)

But if the Body of Christ's intention rose up to strip what the Lord said from the record by,

Their spiritual vacuum to, , "forbid speaking in tongues." (1 Cor 14:39)

Well then, will the Lord overlook their handling of v39 because of the intent of v2?

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“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? (Luke 6:46)​

"Being of no ordinary power, as a Prophet, and probably as One greater than a prophet. It is scarcely likely that even they who regarded him with the deepest reverence when he spoke the mount-sermon would have been able to define their own feelings towards him." Exell, Spence-Jones

It is time to put off the charade of cherry-picking disrespect to God's will.

 

[rocknanchor]

It is time to put off the charade, , "

I think I have suitable time invested in this subject to comment on all the stout-hearted resistance, which is to witness for myself, the better part of 26 yrs regarding those opposed to modern-day Pentecostalism. Bear in mind, I don't hold Pentecostalism blameless as they do at times convey an overzealousness to our "peculiar" stripe. Our occasions to be seated "in heavenly places" in Christ are true but can't hardly be an effective witness if it becomes engrossed in exclusivity for not only the searcher, but the resistance as well.

That still pales in comparison to the former slight of hand being waged. One that is eager for 'wanting God's blessings as long as the Bible's sacred verbiage doesn't rile our hard earned respectability.'

These two parallels exist over the pro and con of the Spirit's baptism towards gifts, the decimation of unity directed at those for not seeking and two, the departure from the clear tenets for a substitutional version of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit are as I see it, the two swords drawn, Glory to God!

How can God reward wherein either of these are present? If they did experience correction, It is therefore my understanding we would indeed have a blessed clearing to move on to the image of Christ if so.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

By impatient fruits, people ask me all the time, 'Why do you still uphold the Assembly of God denomination?' Well, where else are you going to find these raw gems straight from the will of God, by which we godly "covet"?

"But covet earnestly the best gifts, , but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, , " (1 Cor 12:31, 14:5).

It is by their spiritual vacuum the opposition still wishes to diminish these by "a more excellent way." even though He said 'don't' (1 Cor 14:39).

No! not only is the resulting "excellence" incorporated with that godly "covet", it is ALL SEALED IN THE WILL OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS (1 Cor 2:2)!

So as it is written, while the gifts may "cease" and at times prophesies may "fail", they are NEVER to be disposed of, thank God!

Indeed, they are to be working to benefit the BoC till Jesus comes at the end of the Church age. (1Cor.1:7)

 

[rocknanchor]

Indeed, they are to be working to benefit the BoC till Jesus comes at the end of the Church age. (1Cor.1:7)

WooHoo! I suppose its not fair to leave off those who find it difficult not to align sound Pentecostalism with the errors of the past.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

WooHoo! I suppose its not fair to leave off those who find it difficult not to align sound Pentecostalism with the errors of the past.

Without further information I would rather not attempt to reply.

 

[rocknanchor]

Without further information I would rather not attempt to reply.

Oh, well there are a few choice reasons some folk feel Pentecostalism has 'slipped into irrelevance'. High-minded, faith too far as well as televangelists who prey on the elderly and clerical infidelity received no prayer to speak of from differing denominations, but a stopping short of condemning. Just a settling in you might say of Pentecostalism retained a comfortable byword status in their eyes.

With that in mind, I honestly don't know what else could be said except for the calling out.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Oh, well there are a few choice reasons some folk feel Pentecostalism has 'slipped into irrelevance'. High-minded, faith too far as well as televangelists who prey on the elderly and clerical infidelity received no prayer to speak of from differing denominations, but a stopping short of condemning. Just a settling in you might say of Pentecostalism retained a comfortable byword status in their eyes.

With that in mind, I honestly don't know what else could be said except for the calling out.

Pentecostalism is meant to be 'high-minded' in regard to spiritual things as opposed to low-minded in regard of religious traditional things. And faith is meant to be as far as God's promises declare.. which is where those of religious tradition don't go.

The recent infidelities have not only been in the Pentecostal denominations (only recently).. but also in Calvinism and in Methodism as well. It's light shining on the darkness, where ever it is. I know of a local church who had alot of darkness. In that case what is needed is alot of intercessory prayer. Who knows but where Christians find darkness they are there to pray in God's light, and not just condemn.
There is caution among the non Pentecostals in judging their own, but they have no caution in judging the Pentecostals, even going so far as making things up in order to seem justified. How many pray for their own?.. How many pray for those that are not their own?

As an elderly who for physical discomfort of sitting in the church chair for an hour.. has been staying at home more than attending a local church, I can vouch that the Televangelist is not preying upon me and likewise no other elderly who are on fixed incomes.
We all give financially within our means.. I could send my financial offerings to a different televangelist each week on internet. The same amount of money that I likewise gave into the offering plate of the one church I attend off and on, but now mostly off.
So, the phrase "Televangelists who prey on the elderly" is a false statement that shouldn't be repeated without solid financial receipts proof.

I'll check out the "Cut the extra biblical tie" post.

 

[rocknanchor]

So, the phrase "Televangelists who prey on the elderly" is a false statement that shouldn't be repeated without solid financial receipts proof.

I'll check out the "Cut the extra biblical tie" post.

By now, you would have discovered that post's revealing 'The Midas Touch' was directed at the Swaggart / Bakker fallout cast of preachers of the late nineties, some ten years later. Most all of these which yes, was found fleecing the people for funds that had become an abnormal version of New Testament prosperity, , , with one exception, and that is ''the widow's mite''.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

By now, you would have discovered that post's revealing 'The Midas Touch' was directed at the Swaggart / Bakker fallout cast of preachers of the late nineties, some ten years later. Most all of these which yes, was found fleecing the people for funds that had become an abnormal version of New Testament prosperity, , , with one exception, and that is ''the widow's mite''.

The response to Hagin's book The Midas Touch by J Lee Grady The Kingdom of God and You: Midas Touch, Kenneth Hagin's Forgotten Warning

Doesn't necessarily refer to Swaggart and Bakker. The article gives other names of ministers who sat under Hagin's teachings and are within the WoF. The article is directed to anyone who reads Hagin's book to practice caution concerning applying God's word of prosperity.

 

[rocknanchor]

Doesn't necessarily refer to Swaggart and Bakker.

Well right, that's what I meant when I said,

'The Midas Touch' was directed at the Swaggart / Bakker fallout cast of preachers of the late nineties, some ten years later.

Those were the days of the fever-pitch prosperity. Which was the total opposite of seeing our needs met by the heavenly Father in His kingdom of peace and joy in the Holy Spirit AND contentment.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Well right, that's what I meant when I said,

Those were the days of the fever-pitch prosperity. Which was the total opposite of seeing our needs met by the heavenly Father in His kingdom of peace and joy in the Holy Spirit AND contentment.

The prosperity message was first being preached in the late 80's & 90's. At that time I'd just rededicated my life to God after years of not being churched, so I knew nothing about the churchianity way to handle money matters, so I had no such obstacle to overcome.
I just began to believe God for prosperity and have kept on believing. Even by increase of a few dollars is prosperity to me. So I can't say that my needs have not ever been met.

 

[actionsub]

The prosperity message was first being preached in the late 80's & 90's.

It goes back at least to the late 70s when Kenneth Copeland was on the rise. Back then it laid equal emphasis on health and wealth.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

It goes back at least to the late 70s when Kenneth Copeland was on the rise. Back then it laid equal emphasis on health and wealth.

Kenneth Copeland got on Lester Summerall's tv program as a regular in the last months of 1979 so that is when I regularly began watching him. Summerall taught of the same things as Copeland did and came from the same basic backgrounds. Copeland from Oral Roberts preaching healing in the 40's and Summerall having been taught by Smith Wigglesworth - also of healing. But Summerall also had testimony of casting out demons.

Copeland preaching on finances was a relatively new topic back then in the Charismatic circles even though he'd learned it from Oral Roberts and from the Bible.