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I had a rotten day yesterday. Well, I guess It was good with my granddaughter but, when I got to therapy I broke down. My husband is telling me not to have my own e-mail and I said I really wanted this and explained about this forum. He now wants my password to check up on me.. Don't get me wrong, I NEVER gave him any reason not to trust me in 20 yrs. He has had girlfriends throughout the 20 yrs. My therapist asked me if I still want this controlling life but, I'm confused because the bible.. EPHESIANS: Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife as CHRIST is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the savior.. :confused: :cry: :( :help:
 
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Sure Zita123 your husband is the head and you ought to respect him but does that mean that he can go on checking on you and controlling you? Jesus is not a 'controlling type of Lord' but a Lord who sets us free.(Is 61) Your husband as the head of the household ought to copy Him.(Eph 5-25-33)
(Is your husband a Christian? For then you should be able to work on this. Maybe take him to therapy a few times.)

God's blessing with this.
 
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He has been to therapy with me, without me, he choose different therapists.. Guess what he says? " They are ALL wrong!! He won't go again but, He did start going to church. The only thing is that church doesn't apply to him! When I tell him this, He gets real mad and tells me I just want to fight! Thanks for caring and writing back! GOD BLESS YOU JESHU!!:hug:
 
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I can't even go to the store without asking..I don't work and he controlls all the money. I have to ask for gas money ect. When I had a suicide episode and was in the hospital for 1 week..He gave my car to my daughter that didn't even have her lic yet!! Then my youngest is 16 now and he buys a $200.00 phone for himself and decided she needed one to . What about me?? Where do I fit in this family? It so hard to be lonely when you have a husband!!!!! :cry: :( All I want is to be hugged by him! That's it only a hug watching tv. ( only what he watches ) What to do??:confused: :sigh:
 
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I don't know if this helps anything but my father and mother had a very simular relationship as you describe for yourself. At first my mum tried very hard to change my dad and was often tearful and even bitter but when that didn't work she started looking at his 'good' points and learned to accept/tolerate his 'bad' sides. Because my mother changed, the relationship improved, and my father started to drop some of these controlling treats 'automatically' somewhat and their often rocky marriage improved enormously.
I recognise that this puts the onus on you to work the change in your relationship I hope that with God's help you dare to try and do that.

God bless you.
 
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A book I came across recently at our local christian book store by Brenda Waggonner was very helpful to me. It is the myth of the submissive Christian woman. Do not be fooled by the title-it is not written by a "women's libber". It is very "fundamental" and uses scripture and not in some startling "new" interpretation either, but it did open my eyes about what biblical submission is truly talking about. I also found the books on boundaries by Henry Cloud to be vedry helpful. Both "Boundaries" and "Boundaries in marriage". Wisdom is freely given from God. His word tells us to ask for wisdom and He will give it to us. He also teaches wisdom is found in a multitude of godly counselors. Be sure any advise you recieve lines up with Scripture, God's Scripture, not man's interpretation of Scripture. God is our source of Truth.
 
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:cry: I just had a very big talk with my husband and asked him why he wasn't in love with me..Hr told me because my stomache is getting to big and it doesn't turn him on.. This is the first time I'm trying really hard to fix the outside!! I have always been skinny but, now I wear a size 5..I don't think that's bad but I guess it is.. I also explained about the controlling and he wants me to write a list of the controlling ways.. He are starting a new business and I told him we need to talk before the business because I want no part of it until I know we are not heading for a divorce..:cry: :cry: ( can't stop ) I told him that it's not fair to me or him to live in a loveless marriage. Now, if it does happen then, I don't kn.gotta go he's here!!
 
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Don't worry about that; the Bible also has provisions for divorce--especially if he had girlfriends. It has allowances for separations. You had hope for the situation, you worked hard to live within confines, and life apparently hasn't improved.

This is your life, so we can't tell you what to do--but God understands emotional abuse more than any of us ever will!

If you have any extra time, it would be worth researching everything you could find to set up an imaginary backup plan.

I'm guessing that his control has increased from the time you met. He might have limited and controlled you to a point where you might not have the energy or self-confidence to get out of it. The glib suggestion from an outsider to make a drastic move is actually a huge hurdle.

Look up some shelters and services in your area so you know you have a cushion of options. It's easier to see hope for a future when you have a few support systems lined up for emergency. I think that many towns have Catholic shelters for this purpose, and some have battered-women (or emotional abuse) organizations that keep their address secret.

Child custody throws in a few legal complications, so take some time to go over those in case he ever gets violent. I have had friends who lost custody when they "abandoned" their kids after their husbands beat them.

You might feel powerless without control of the car, the finances, and anything else you need to escape the situation. Just remember, the longer things stay the same, the less chance you will have for a hopeful life. A couple weeks at a friend's house or one credit card might be all you need to shake things loose.

I understand the value of avoiding change. There are some qualities to your household that are worth preserving, especially with the kids still home. Take some time to weigh this.

Keep a log of things he has done, with dates...that's not scriptural, but you might need it for legal defense some day.

I have seen Jeshu's suggestion work, with a contained amount of pain and applied over many years. You have already been submissive. Try some experiments to see if you can be yourself without caring what he thinks. Try to relax yourself when he's around. When you feel yourself controlled by his moods, walk out of the room.

I'm so sorry that you have been trapped. You know when he's doing something wrong, even when he justifies his actions. You know what's right.

Lord, bring freedom for Zita to be herself, and live safely and securely in her home. Surround her with love from friends, family, and You. Hear our prayers!
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Zita123 said:
I had a rotten day yesterday. Well, I guess It was good with my granddaughter but, when I got to therapy I broke down. My husband is telling me not to have my own e-mail and I said I really wanted this and explained about this forum. He now wants my password to check up on me.. Don't get me wrong, I NEVER gave him any reason not to trust me in 20 yrs. He has had girlfriends throughout the 20 yrs. My therapist asked me if I still want this controlling life but, I'm confused because the bible.. EPHESIANS: Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife as CHRIST is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the savior.. :confused: :cry: :( :help:
Hi Zita,
I have a wife and I do not think that the way your husband is treating you is right. I would not do that to her and i have been in some pretty sad states with my manias and lows.You should not accept this behavior from him. It also could be making your bipolar disorder worse. It's really tough if you don't have a supportive partner. It's tough actually when you have a supportive partner. my wife has always stood behind me and supported me, but this spring she finally cracked asd said, "Honey, stop ignoring this disorder and get help, or we are not going to be able to live together. This is too hard on me and the kids.." It made me go back and start getting therapy.. But any way this is for you, not me Zita and I'd like to say that what your husband is doing does not sound like love and support, it sounds like emotional abuse. As a husband I'd have to say his behvaior toward you is not good, it is abusive. At some point you have to take yourself away form that or you will not be able to get and stay well. I will be praying for you. That really broke my heart to hear that sister. I do not think the Lord would chastise or correct you if you decided to seperate, if there were no other way, since you have and are continuing to try and work it out. plus, like someone else said, the Bible makes provision for seperation, esp. if he has had girlfriends.
 
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Zita,

Please be careful. I weighed 260 pounds and wore a size 30 and my husband still loved me. Sure we had our problems. A size 5 is not a normal definition of a big stomach. YOU are a treasure to our heavenly Father. NOthing on the outside matters, What Christ did for you on the cross is what matters. Take care of yourself and don't let anyone but God decide if you are loveable or not.
 
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If he had a size five stomach after 20 years of marriage and a few pregnancies...five is small.

I'm proud of you for making it clear that you weren't comfortable getting involved in the business. Make sure that he doesn't put your name on debt obligations without your consent. People like that just don't think, or want someone else to suffer with them...even if he says it's all for you. You know his history.

Aside...you mentioned you didn't have a job. I can't tell you what a nice self-confidence builder a job can be! You would have a life outside of him (which would scare him) that would give you hope and a different perspective. Working in partnership with him would not be partnership, but one more area of your life that he's in charge of. Even if you're not trained to do anything in particular, it would be freeing to get out of the house! If you present it in a non-threatening way, he might even relax in more areas.
 
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Zita,

Please be careful. I weighed 260 pounds and wore a size 30 and my husband still loved me. Sure we had our problems. A size 5 is not a normal definition of a big stomach. YOU are a treasure to our heavenly Father. NOthing on the outside matters, What Christ did for you on the cross is what matters. Take care of yourself and don't let anyone but God decide if you are loveable or not.
Thank you all for your suggestions! I am just hurt beyond right now, It feels like my heart stopped..How could he want so many different kinds of girls and not ME!!!
 
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It's all about him. If he had found any one of those girls first and married them, he would treat them exactly the same way. If your stomach were flatter, he would still find something to complain about. He will never be happy due to something anyone has done for him.

You have been dedicated, compassionate, loyal, and raised your children well. It sounds like he is only returning that with provisions. You have given tens of thousands of hours of your life to support his vision, and do not even have the freedom to spend your due compensation.

Some men were brought up with these ideas, and are stressed by carrying a burden to provide for their family and keep the wife at home. In their minds, it's the right thing to do, the only thing to do. They bind the woman into their view of rightness. Then they can demean you later for "doing nothing."

But even in more subtle relationship problems, men and women expect different things from a marriage. Venus, Mars, you know. Your marriage seems to have grown into a totally imbalanced set of priorities, where he sets all of them and you have no say. That's not right. Total submission makes you a slave, not a wife. You are worth so much more than that!

Jesus came to redeem, to set the prisoner free, to balance injustices. He will back you up. We will back you up.







 
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[bible]Matthew 12:1-8[/bible]

God does not want you to do really stupid and destructive things just so you can say you're following a rule someone wrote down once. Get out of there. If your husband is willing to get the therapy he needs, then maybe you can talk.
 
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heron said:
It's all about him. If he had found any one of those girls first and married them, he would treat them exactly the same way. If your stomach were flatter, he would still find something to complain about. He will never be happy due to something anyone has done for him.

You have been dedicated, compassionate, loyal, and raised your children well. It sounds like he is only returning that with provisions. You have given tens of thousands of hours of your life to support his vision, and do not even have the freedom to spend your due compensation.

Some men were brought up with these ideas, and are stressed by carrying a burden to provide for their family and keep the wife at home. In their minds, it's the right thing to do, the only thing to do. They bind the woman into their view of rightness. Then they can demean you later for "doing nothing."

But even in more subtle relationship problems, men and women expect different things from a marriage. Venus, Mars, you know. Your marriage seems to have grown into a totally imbalanced set of priorities, where he sets all of them and you have no say. That's not right. Total submission makes you a slave, not a wife. You are worth so much more than that!

Jesus came to redeem, to set the prisoner free, to balance injustices. He will back you up. We will back you up.







I can't believe how well you know what's going on! Thank you for caring enough to pray for me. I try so hard to keep him happy and not let him get upset but, I only silently hurt. Like when I want to be intimate..I can't until the time he wants even if I dress up for him. Then I feel like a fool. By the time he is ready, I'm crying too much! Whatever!! I don't know how much more I can take! But, Thank you again! Zita123
 
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Zita123 said:
I try so hard to keep him happy and not let him get upset but, I only silently hurt.

Sweet Zita, there is NOTHING you can do to make him happy! Happiness comes from within. He appears to try to create happiness by dominating others. You can be a respectful wife, without succumbing to the myth of trying to "make him happy". It won't work. You need to concentrate on your own heart, mind, and soul. Leave the path up to the Lord, and He will make the way clear to you!

You don't need his permission to have your own email account (access it only from the library, or a friend's house), or bank account (you SHOULD have one! Have everything sent to a friend's house, or a PO box). If you don't feel you can leave him at this time, fine...but, make a plan, and work it.

Above all, put it in God's hands. He will guide you in the right direction, at the right time!
 
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Zita123 said:
I can't believe how well you know what's going on! Thank you for caring enough to pray for me. I try so hard to keep him happy and not let him get upset but, I only silently hurt. Like when I want to be intimate..I can't until the time he wants even if I dress up for him. Then I feel like a fool. By the time he is ready, I'm crying too much! Whatever!! I don't know how much more I can take! But, Thank you again! Zita123
Zita,

Please draw boundaries. While the Bible talks about submission, it is so misunderstood that women who are being abused, either physically or emotionally, simply tolerate it. It is sometimes easier to do than to venture out into the world of the unknown. But it is not always God's will to sit back and "let go and let God." We must clearly communicate what we will and will not tolerate in a relationship and set up a plan as to how we will enforce our boundaries. Your husband has already demonstrated that he is not faithful, and simply settling for this is just another state of denial. As far as the weight issue, he is simply using that as a "cover-up" for other issues in the marriage. Whlie losing weight is an aspring goal for us in taking care of the bodies God has given us, it will not change your husband or improve your marriage. In fact, further submission to him will not change him either. Please get into therapy (alone), start financially preparing yourself for the future in the event of a separation, and establish boundaries. Start working on yourself, while leaving the door open for your husband, but please establish guidelines and refuse to be subject to emotional abuse. Do not be fearful or afraid to change for security reasons. And pray for strength. God bless. pav
 
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