Anyone who knows mindfulness exercises?

If Not For Grace said:

Using tools available to us is not abandoning scripture.

Ever been to a dentist or an MD?

Have you ever driven a car? (Jesus walked everywhere He went, does driving make you a pagan or worldly-NO!)

Do you use a fork or sit at a table to eat-(Following Jesus Example means you would recline to eat almost lay down...)

See how silly some of this stuff sounds-stuff like this is why we can't reach the unsaved...There are theads here on this forum in the last couple of months that ask "Is Billy Graham a Christian?" and "Is Gardening a Sin"-

May God have Mercy on us if in 2000 years we have come to know no more of God than to judge people and put them down for tyring to enjoy the life Jesus Died to give us..

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wr2 said:

Mindfulness is supposed to help against depression.
I googled a bit about it and it seems like it involves meditation exercises from yoga and zen. I think this pretty much rules it out for christians, right? I wouldn't want to do any exercises which are also part of zen meditation.

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PureDose said:

That seems to be a response to my post, though this does not at all accurately reflect my viewpoints and is taking what I am saying off into directions I am most definitely not saying.

These sorts of extremes to use as arguments is exactly the same kind of fear and prejudice (in this case against me) which you are arguing against.

I am not a witchdoctor. We might as well throw that out there.

I am not one of the really very rare "Christian Scientists" who have been known to let their children die where there is not enough faith but simple medical procedures that could have aided them.

I am not a "Jehovah's Witness" who would advise people not to get blood transfusion because "it is cannibalism" as they ludicrously believe.

I am not stating everything in the world is incarnately evil and has no tie whatsoever to the Most High.


I am stating the door to faith has to be left open.

This individual was not stating they were found with cancer or a health problem that required surgery so they were debating whether to get treatment. They were contemplating that maybe they had a permanent case of depression and might turn to "mindfulness" and zen meditation for the cure.

A placebo could cure them in many instances, as even modern medicine admits. But a placebo would itself require the person has confidence in it. This poster was stating they had no confidence or a strong lack of confidence in zen meditation.

There is such a thing as teaching a man how to fish, as opposed to giving him a fish in these instances.

And there very much is such a thing as either entering into medical aid with faith and keeping the door of possibility open -- or entering into it and closing key doors.


I will simply end pointing out that however people wish to see it the world is suffering from a case of chronic unbelief. That same world we all grew up in and live in. That effects people. Unbelief itself is not something to condemn as if it were not an illness.

It itself is the mother of all illnesses. And we all suffer from it from some degree or another while this world and this age remains.

Doing any manner of action one deeply and truly has confidence in, such as medical procedures (which are constantly bombarded to us with a message of trustworthiness) can help faith that is failing. True faith which opens such doors lays deep in the core of the heart which is hard to reach.

People tend to have a hard time believing something they did not have to work for. If they have to work for it, it is easier for them to believe.

I can guarantee you all of the people healed by Jesus did not just go from sinful state to going, "Oh, this guy has the power to heal me". But, behind their faith which had them healed was much long work by God in their souls.

Work they themselves participated in by believing.

Just as someone who has a hard time walking in traction may have someone else aid them to walk.

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They were contemplating that maybe they had a permanent case of depression and might turn to "mindfulness" and zen meditation for the cure.

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