Anyone smart?

[JustMeSee]

Are there guilty consciences about putting these things into your kids bodies?


Personally, I will not vaccinate my child because of the severe and life threatening adverse reactions to the vaccinations that my son had. Nobody or noone can convince me to do so after seeing my child almost die at birth and then see him almost be killed by lethal injection when the stupid doc assured me that vaccines are perfectly safe and my son had an anaphylactic reaction to them that very night. Come to find out that my sons immune system was not up to it and could not handle them. Further bloodwork confirmed that he should not have had those shots. Even the most recent blood work says that he is not to be vaccinated because of his immune system problems. So that is just my experience. I hate them, but am not going to condemn anyone else who wants to kill their kids. That is their business.

But, smarty pants, the reason I am asking is because I have a little cousin that drank antifreeze. You know, the blue stuff? Then my Husband tried to take out one of those energy saving light bulbs that says they contain mercury on the box, how tru that is, I don't know, and it broke and cut him and I didn't know if any of that got in his system through his cut. Then I am doing and essay about the difference of cremation and earth burial and I was also doing some studying on embalming and I was wandering what would happen if one of the embalmers accidently got stuck with the needle and some of the formaldehyde solution got into the blood stream. Are you all happy about my reasoning now?

Immunizations are a very touch subject and my son can't have them due to medical reasons, so I don't have to worry about that with him cause the doc's have said for him not to have them due to the special needs that he has.

I just thought that a cut would be a lot like an injection, and so would and accidental needle stick, and instead of expalining all this(which I had to do anyway) I just summed it all up and called it an injection.

I find it interesting that you have such a negative impression of vaccination, and created this thread on possible ingredients of vaccines without that in mind.

 

[Nabobalis]

Um, who said anything about vaccines? I know that I didn't. I just asked about mecury, antifreeze, and formaldehyde. Not vaccines.

Well you will have to excuse us since when people ask about those ingredients, they do so because of vaccines.

Are there guilty consciences about putting these things into your kids bodies?

Nope, I get my self vaccinated. Don't think my parents ever vaccinated me (due to them being immigrants)

Personally, I will not vaccinate my child because of the severe and life threatening adverse reactions to the vaccinations that my son had. Nobody or noone can convince me to do so after seeing my child almost die at birth and then see him almost be killed by lethal injection when the stupid doc assured me that vaccines are perfectly safe and my son had an anaphylactic reaction to them that very night. Come to find out that my sons immune system was not up to it and could not handle them. Further bloodwork confirmed that he should not have had those shots. Even the most recent blood work says that he is not to be vaccinated because of his immune system problems. So that is just my experience. I hate them, but am not going to condemn anyone else who wants to kill their kids. That is their business.

I'm sorry to hear that about your son, some people cannot have vaccines, either because of an allergy to one of the ingredients or how it is made.

But that doesn't mean that the chemicals in vaccines are dangerous or lethal.

But, smarty pants, the reason I am asking is because I have a little cousin that drank antifreeze. You know, the blue stuff? Then my Husband tried to take out one of those energy saving light bulbs that says they contain mercury on the box, how tru that is, I don't know, and it broke and cut him and I didn't know if any of that got in his system through his cut. Then I am doing and essay about the difference of cremation and earth burial and I was also doing some studying on embalming and I was wandering what would happen if one of the embalmers accidently got stuck with the needle and some of the formaldehyde solution got into the blood stream. Are you all happy about my reasoning now?

Immunizations are a very touch subject and my son can't have them due to medical reasons, so I don't have to worry about that with him cause the doc's have said for him not to have them due to the special needs that he has.

I just thought that a cut would be a lot like an injection, and so would and accidental needle stick, and instead of expalining all this(which I had to do anyway) I just summed it all up and called it an injection.

A cut isn't similar to a injection really. But the mercury contained is so little unless it happens more than a couple of dozen tomes I would think he should be fine.

Anyone who drinks anti-freeze should be taken to A&E straightaway.

 

[Mystman]

I hate them, but am not going to condemn anyone else who wants to kill their kids. That is their business.

People can have painful/dangerous/deadly reactions to all kinds of stuff that's healthy (in moderation) for a normal person. Sunshine, water, wheat, fruit, you name it, and someone has probably gotten an adverse reaction to it.

When averaged over the whole population, vaccines prevent way more casualties/deaths from diseases than they cause from allergic reactions etc. Sure, you may just have the unlucky kid that's allergic to vaccines, or to the sun, or to strawberries, but that doesn't mean that people who have kids who aren't allergic to those things want to kill their kid when they figure "hey, the chance that eating fruit is healthy for my kid is a lot larger than the chance that eating fruit is going to kill my kid."

 

[Mystman]

The smallpox article on wikipedia (warning: untasty images) gives some startling statistics that I didn't know about btw. 300-500 million deaths just in the 20th century? That we managed to stop that with vaccinations is just.. wow.

 

[Psudopod]

Personally, I will not vaccinate my child because of the severe and life threatening adverse reactions to the vaccinations that my son had. Nobody or noone can convince me to do so after seeing my child almost die at birth and then see him almost be killed by lethal injection when the stupid doc assured me that vaccines are perfectly safe and my son had an anaphylactic reaction to them that very night. Come to find out that my sons immune system was not up to it and could not handle them. Further bloodwork confirmed that he should not have had those shots. Even the most recent blood work says that he is not to be vaccinated because of his immune system problems. So that is just my experience. I hate them, but am not going to condemn anyone else who wants to kill their kids. That is their business.

While anaphylactic shock is a risk, it's a risk with any substance. Those substances are not inherently dangerous in their own right, it's just that some people's bodies react incorrectly to them. If your son has immune problems, then vaccination is your friend. Everyone is at risk from disease, and those with immune problems more so than the general population. However vaccination of health people prevents disease gaining a foothold in communtites and protects volnerable people like your son from having to encounter them.

 

[Brandlynn]

Don't worry yall, my aunt and uncle took him to the hospital. We just heard about it from my aunt and uncle that is in another state. I couldn't get there. That is too far to travel, but he will be fine.

 

[Brandlynn]

Vaccines almost killed me, too. So if you all want to believe the lies going around about them, that's your deal. But as for my son, the doctors have told us in immunology that he is not able to take them. So aside from the fact that I hate them and the fact that I almost got killed by them and the fact that I almost lost my son to them and the fact that even though I may not be the strongest christian in the world, I have enough sense to trust God for his full protection, and the fact that I have made up my mind about them and nobody is going to convince me of anything different, because I am hard headed and as far as I am concerned you people can argue and discuss statistics and all that garbage about vaccines all you want and the fact that even before we knew our son had any kind of immune system problems and I was still pregnant my husband and I made up our minds that no kind of foreign poison is going to go into our son. Why don't you all google or whatever you do something called complete Di George syndrome. You will find things that state that some kids T-Cell function is so bad that they can't take any kind of vaccines dead or alive.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Vaccines almost killed me, too. So if you all want to believe the lies going around about them, that's your deal. But as for my son, the doctors have told us in immunology that he is not able to take them. So aside from the fact that I hate them and the fact that I almost got killed by them and the fact that I almost lost my son to them and the fact that even though I may not be the strongest christian in the world, I have enough sense to trust God for his full protection, and the fact that I have made up my mind about them and nobody is going to convince me of anything different, because I am hard headed and as far as I am concerned you people can argue and discuss statistics and all that garbage about vaccines all you want and the fact that even before we knew our son had any kind of immune system problems and I was still pregnant my husband and I made up our minds that no kind of foreign poison is going to go into our son. Why don't you all google or whatever you do something called complete Di George syndrome. You will find things that state that some kids T-Cell function is so bad that they can't take any kind of vaccines dead or alive.

Truly sorry to hear about your son. I have three daughters, and I can't imagine having to go through something like this.

I'm just a little confused however, is your son's immune system deficient, or did your pediatrician inject a poison?

 

[Brandlynn]

Truly sorry to hear about your son. I have three daughters, and I can't imagine having to go through something like this.

I'm just a little confused however, is your son's immune system deficient, or did your pediatrician inject a poison?

Yes, she did, and she was not suppose to. According to Childrens, any time he gets any kind of vaccine, the primary care is to check with the immunology department or do bloodwork of their own to check the T cells. That pediatrician didn't do that like she was supposed to, so we were very unhappy with her and changed to a pediatrician who is more thorough.

 

[Cabal]

Vaccines almost killed me, too. So if you all want to believe the lies going around about them, that's your deal. But as for my son, the doctors have told us in immunology that he is not able to take them. So aside from the fact that I hate them and the fact that I almost got killed by them and the fact that I almost lost my son to them and the fact that even though I may not be the strongest christian in the world, I have enough sense to trust God for his full protection, and the fact that I have made up my mind about them and nobody is going to convince me of anything different, because I am hard headed and as far as I am concerned you people can argue and discuss statistics and all that garbage about vaccines all you want and the fact that even before we knew our son had any kind of immune system problems and I was still pregnant my husband and I made up our minds that no kind of foreign poison is going to go into our son. Why don't you all google or whatever you do something called complete Di George syndrome. You will find things that state that some kids T-Cell function is so bad that they can't take any kind of vaccines dead or alive.

Actually, statistics are relevant - you have cited only one or two cases, and that does not comprise a statistic. I'm sorry you had to go through what you did, and allergies should always be screened for - but the statistics show that in the overwhelming majority of cases, vaccination is a beneficial and necessary part of healthcare. Accusing people of wanting to "poison" their children is just incorrect, pure and simple (not to mention an unhelpful attitude). An allergen/pathogen is not universally a poison, by definition.

It's interesting though that you claim you're looking to God for "full protection". Have you forsworn all medical care, or just the bits you think are wrong?

 

[Mystman]

Why don't you all google or whatever you do something called complete Di George syndrome. You will find things that state that some kids T-Cell function is so bad that they can't take any kind of vaccines dead or alive.

Sucks. But really, you're blaming the wrong thing here. Other people getting vaccinated is beneficial for your child. If vaccines already cause such a strong reaction in your child, imagine what the actual disease would do. That's also the reason why people are vaccinated against relatively "harmless" diseases like measles ("only" ~2 in a 1000 patients die): healthy individuals can just get the disease, be sick for a few days, and then carry on with their lives, but while they're sick, they may infect people that already have bad health (e.g. your son), and the people who already have bad health and who get infected with measles will probably form part of the 2 out of 1000 statistic.

So really, healthy people getting vaccinated against normally non-lethal diseases is a good thing for non-healthy individuals.

 

[Brandlynn]

Oh, Horsefeathers to you too, cabal.

I aint worried about what all you say.

 

[Brandlynn]

Ya'll all just a bunch of stubborn old grumps like I am. At least we have that in common.

 

[Cabal]

Oh, Horsefeathers to you too, cabal.

I aint worried about what all you say.

You clearly don't seem to worry about that at all, given how readily you incorrectly accused hundreds of thousands of parents of wanting to poison their children.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

If your pediatrician did in fact inject poison into your son, I would recommend you consult a medical malpractice attorney. Such a physician should not be practicing. In fact, if you can prove poison was indeed used, you have a moral obligation to report it.

 

[Bushido216]

Brandlynn's problem is that she suffers from that "then all X are..." problem.

She can't distinguish between a single instance where a Doctor acted wrongly and society as a whole.

"This vaccine hurt me, then all vaccines are harmful."

The vaccine didn't hurt her child. Her Doctor being a twit hurt her child. She just won't ever see that that's the case. Fear and a lack of understanding have informed her opinions and no amount of good sense ever will.

Move on.

 

[Brandlynn]

WHATEVER. One question, did Jesus ever get vaccinated?

I will say this again. You all are all too stubborn for your own goods. Just like me. Nothing is going to change your minds, and nothing is going to change mine. That is all there is to it.

This is a Christian forum, shouldn't we be, instead of harping on the good and bad of child hood shots, focusing on God more than all this other stuff. I don't feel that I owe one, but I will appologize for anything that you all got offended over. I am not offended in what all you said.

 

[Brandlynn]

Ptttttttttttttttttttt!

 

[Cabal]

WHATEVER. One question, did Jesus ever get vaccinated?

Did he ride a Vespa?

I will say this again. You all are all too stubborn for your own goods. Just like me. Nothing is going to change your minds, and nothing is going to change mine. That is all there is to it.

Uh, nope - evidence will. Which happens to be firmly on the side of vaccination. All the arguments you have provided against it are logically flawed.

This is a Christian forum, shouldn't we be, instead of harping on the good and bad of child hood shots, focusing on God more than all this other stuff.

Well, this is the science board....

 

[Brandlynn]

You sure do like to argue, don't you? If Mary and Joseph was smart enough not to vaccinate Jesus, then I will be smart enough not to vaccinate my son. END OF DISCUSSION.