Anyone here familiar or studied Theomatics?

[BukiRob]

Immortality is already set in the person who believes because the Spirit is active in them John 5:24. When the person dies with an active Spirit then there will be regeneration and corruption will take on in-corruption.

Thanks, it is better to use scriptures that do not need interpreting.

It is common sense that this body we have now will corrupt and decay, oxidize etc because it is of the earth. Even with powerful Spiritual experience now the body remains the same.

No, it is not. You are 100% mortal while you are in this life. You are being nonsensical. You currently DO NOT have a glorified body. Your body when it dies will 100% as sure as the sun rises in the east WILL undergo decay. You cant cherry pick like you are trying to do to suite some whack belief you have.

You will PUT ON the incorruptible WHEN you are raised from the dead. JUST LIKE 1 COR STATES. And at that time you will PUT ON immortality. There is no part of you at this moment that is immortal. The believer has the promise and the HS is the downpayment or seal of that promise

 

[AllanV]

No, it is not. You are 100% mortal while you are in this life. You are being nonsensical. You currently DO NOT have a glorified body. Your body when it dies will 100% as sure as the sun rises in the east WILL undergo decay. You cant cherry pick like you are trying to do to suite some whack belief you have.

You will PUT ON the incorruptible WHEN you are raised from the dead. JUST LIKE 1 COR STATES. And at that time you will PUT ON immortality. There is no part of you at this moment that is immortal. The believer has the promise and the HS is the downpayment or seal of that promise

Christ in me is the immortal part, the anointing of the Spirit. Because it is continuously within, then there is the hope of immortality. The body is obviously biological but the mind must give up its predatory ability of attempting to get into the minds of others.
The rebellious nature is as the sin of witchcraft as the Prophet Samuel said to King Saul. The human has the ability to stir up feelings in others because the body rules the will. Life experience in a biology is contained in the personality and manner in which a person behaves and talks to others.

Witchcraft is likened to hypnotic suggestion and gets into the mind and the brain and then the hormones and it is completely biological but driven by some mind power. Some develop skills to have more power but most do not recognize it in themselves.
The mind and will with own self belief is dangerous to others and represents the Kingdom of Satan with fixtures of the mind as his demons.
Demons are part of the normal make up of the human personality and are attached to tempt.

Jesus is totally different and His nature must be found and then immortality is sure and the person who has His nature will be resurrected and not judged.
Action needs to be taken now it is not a case of waiting until after a person is dead.

 

[AllanV]

No, it is not. You are 100% mortal while you are in this life. You are being nonsensical. You currently DO NOT have a glorified body. Your body when it dies will 100% as sure as the sun rises in the east WILL undergo decay. You cant cherry pick like you are trying to do to suite some whack belief you have.

You will PUT ON the incorruptible WHEN you are raised from the dead. JUST LIKE 1 COR STATES. And at that time you will PUT ON immortality. There is no part of you at this moment that is immortal. The believer has the promise and the HS is the downpayment or seal of that promise

It is possible to experience the divine nature now and it is unable to be comprehended in the natural mind.
The Spirit leads the mind deeper and beyond the mind usually thought and believed from into a mind that knows God in a non intellectual way but a deep intimate indwelling.
There is a way of receiving and being covered by the nature of Jesus and the Eternal God will indwell and energize the Love in the new nature.
The natural mind is bound up in its self and has mind fixtures, mind sets which are demons and these must be exposed and expelled. There is then a way of breaking the hardness in the heart and Jesus will cover with His nature.

 

[BukiRob]

It is possible to experience the divine nature now and it is unable to be comprehended in the natural mind.
The Spirit leads the mind deeper and beyond the mind usually thought and believed from into a mind that knows God in a non intellectual way but a deep intimate indwelling.
There is a way of receiving and being covered by the nature of Jesus and the Eternal God will indwell and energize the Love in the new nature.
The natural mind is bound up in its self and has mind fixtures, mind sets which are demons and these must be exposed and expelled. There is then a way of breaking the hardness in the heart and Jesus will cover with His nature.

Hogwash. G-d is highly rational and intellectual. The creation screams of a G-d who has within HIS many attributes a reasoned, intellectual, rational mind.

It is by walking- meaning by observing the Torah that G-d will say of us what he said of Abraham. That we obeyed his voice, his decrees, statutes, commandments and Law. (Note, Abraham came before the Law was given to Israel in the Saini )

Your psycho babble is a thinly covered veneer of doing right in your own eyes. If you are NOT observing HIS commandments you are doing right in your own eyes PERIOD

 

[AllanV]

Hogwash. G-d is highly rational and intellectual. The creation screams of a G-d who has within HIS many attributes a reasoned, intellectual, rational mind.

It is by walking- meaning by observing the Torah that G-d will say of us what he said of Abraham. That we obeyed his voice, his decrees, statutes, commandments and Law. (Note, Abraham came before the Law was given to Israel in the Saini )

Your psycho babble is a thinly covered veneer of doing right in your own eyes. If you are NOT observing HIS commandments you are doing right in your own eyes PERIOD

God is an energizing Spirit and the Word,spokesman was with God from the beginning but he walked the earth as Jesus.
The spirit of God can not be quantified or comprehended and only Jesus has an acceptable nature with an alternate mind to the one humans think from. The nature of Jesus is found in a transformed and renewed mind and is that of an immortal. Human mind has the wrong pattern and the mind Jesus thinks from is a comparison because He was tested at every point. There is then a safe way of Knowing God as he requests.
Human intellect falls short.

 

[BukiRob]

God is an energizing Spirit and the Word,spokesman was with God from the beginning but he walked the earth as Jesus.
The spirit of God can not be quantified or comprehended and only Jesus has an acceptable nature with an alternate mind to the one humans think from. The nature of Jesus is found in a transformed and renewed mind and is that of an immortal. Human mind has the wrong pattern and the mind Jesus thinks from is a comparison because He was tested at every point. There is then a safe way of Knowing God as he requests.
Human intellect falls short.

You are so screwed up on new age thinking that it is actually sad to see.

Yeshua HaMashiach is G-D become flesh. He was also 100% MAN. His body and mind was that of a MAN. His spirit was that of Elohim. He was the example of HOW to walk out the Torah that WAS his Ministry to show HOW we are to Love Adonia Elohim and HOW we are to Love our neighbor as our selves.

Not one of the things you have been saying are backed up by scripture. When I have corrected you with the WORD you shift and continue to spout your new age philosophy. Walking in the Spirit is to walk in the LIGHT and the LIGHT is the Torah that guides us on HOW to walk uprightly before the Father.
1 John 1:6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

1 John 2: 3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

 

[AllanV]

You are so screwed up on new age thinking that it is actually sad to see.

Yeshua HaMashiach is G-D become flesh. He was also 100% MAN. His body and mind was that of a MAN. His spirit was that of Elohim. He was the example of HOW to walk out the Torah that WAS his Ministry to show HOW we are to Love Adonia Elohim and HOW we are to Love our neighbor as our selves.

Not one of the things you have been saying are backed up by scripture. When I have corrected you with the WORD you shift and continue to spout your new age philosophy. Walking in the Spirit is to walk in the LIGHT and the LIGHT is the Torah that guides us on HOW to walk uprightly before the Father.
1 John 1:6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

1 John 2: 3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

I apologize for not using scripture to back up a personal experience I know is true but there are so many interpretations that the message is lost. The Gospel is about the kingdom of God and there is a barrier or veil in the mind to knowing God as He requests. Only Jesus has become immortal and His mind is the mind of an immortal and this must be found to be regenerated to immortality. We must take on His nature.
Ephesians 3:18, Paul prays that we might "grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ."

John 4:24(KJV)24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


John 1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NKJV)
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Jeremiah 24:7 I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD. They will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart.
John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Titus iii.5, R. V., "Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost."



The scriptures confirm that what is written by me is true depending of course who interprets it. It is not about letters on a page but by the Spirit. The Love of the Son with His nature, when found is energized by the Spirit of God.

Ephesians 3:19 (KJV) 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


Romans 5:5 (NKJV) 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Mark 12:30-31 (NIV)30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’a]">[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”

 

[Shimshon]

Fundamental difference here is one person believes the Spirit is given to function as a conduit between Yeshua and us, as exemplified by the relationship between the Father and the Son. The other believes the Spirit is given to function the Torah/law as the conduit.

I'm with you Allan, I don't believe the Spirit is given to teach everyone the Torah as given Israel. I think you have a much better understanding than Rob about the function of the Spirit and our position in Messiah. Good Job!

 

[BukiRob]

I apologize for not using scripture to back up a personal experience I know is true but there are so many interpretations that the message is lost. The Gospel is about the kingdom of God and there is a barrier or veil in the mind to knowing God as He requests. Only Jesus has become immortal and His mind is the mind of an immortal and this must be found to be regenerated to immortality. We must take on His nature.
Ephesians 3:18, Paul prays that we might "grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ."

Which you can not do in the flesh in this life... hence the need as Paul tells us we will put on these things AFTER the Resurrection. I simply do not understand why you insists on debating this. If you already possed it then saying you need to put it on is nonsensical.

John 4:24(KJV)24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


John 1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 The Word(TORAH) became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NKJV)
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Jeremiah 24:7 I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD. They will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart.Ironic that you cite these passage of scripture while ignoring when Jeremiah clearly defines what the new covenant is... the Torah written on the believers heart and in their minds
John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Titus iii.5, R. V., "Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost."



The scriptures confirm that what is written by me is true depending of course who interprets it. It is not about letters on a page but by the Spirit. The Love of the Son with His nature, when found is energized by the Spirit of God.Yet in your fleshly desire to do away with OBEDIENCE you throw out Adonai's Statues, decrees, commandments and law. Yeshua saves us from the Law of "SIN AND DEATH" that we might be FREE to walk in righteousness and obedience. There is NO MIDDLE ground here. One either chooses to walk obediently or one does not. Messiah's sacrifice is what saves us but the choice to be obedient is up to us.

Ephesians 3:19 (KJV) 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


Romans 5:5 (NKJV) 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Mark 12:30-31 (NIV)30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’a]">[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”

You rightly cite Mark 12. The problem is most "christians" define keeping those two as doing what they think is right in their own eyes. Practicing self deception under the guise of a pseudo spiritual justification of living fleshly.

The point of the Torah is your natural mind is INCAPABLE of correctly doing the first or second of the great commandments. The Torah shows us HOW to walk in such a manner that we are fulfilling those 2 commandments. It is G-d who states HOW we are to love our neighbor and HOW we are to love G-d. The problem is believers in their flesh want NO PART of this and the warping and perverting of Paul's teaching gives them a justification for rejecting G-d's ways in exchange for their own ways.

 

[AllanV]

You rightly cite Mark 12. The problem is most "christians" define keeping those two as doing what they think is right in their own eyes. Practicing self deception under the guise of a pseudo spiritual justification of living fleshly.

The point of the Torah is your natural mind is INCAPABLE of correctly doing the first or second of the great commandments. The Torah shows us HOW to walk in such a manner that we are fulfilling those 2 commandments. It is G-d who states HOW we are to love our neighbor and HOW we are to love G-d. The problem is believers in their flesh want NO PART of this and the warping and perverting of Paul's teaching gives them a justification for rejecting G-d's ways in exchange for their own ways.

A book had never been read on this subject previously. I was living on a quiet rural block of land without electric power or phone and while doing some wood work God drew me to know exactly where He is and opened up my mind to see deeper and beyond it.
The Spirit revealed the mind of an immortal as a comparison to mine and how it did not measure up, which is sin in my makeup, personality, the energy that comes with the words that are spoken with applied emphasis and the resulting behaviors.

Jeremiah 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Much doctrine from various churches has been listened to since and it is best to keep away because it is deceptive.
The ten commandments were written on stone and reflects the state of the human heart and mind.

God is able to be known in a mind that is deeper and beyond the usual mind. This was the sacrifice of Jesus to give access to God. He overcame every aspect of a rebellious nature that brings sin and His mind and heart can now be revealed in believers.
There is an inner journey of transformation and renewal that must be sort because the normal, usual state will not go easily. This is why Paul says we must seek the Lord.
It is not letters on a page but inwardly. It is difficult because many read a book and claim what it reveals as their own. The completion is when there is transformation and renewal in the mind and the nature of Jesus and the mind He thought from reveals the Love that God will energize. God the creator of the universe at every instant will indwell when the mind and heart allows it.

The hardness in the heart must be understood and an attempt to remove it and Jesus will bring completion. The heart and mind are changed deeply and this can not be comprehended or imagined naturally it is supernatural.

A rebellious nature gives an individual the mind power to get into other minds and bond in familiar responses. Feelings rule the passions and the body is in charge of the will. Self belief is empowered.
Mind fixtures which are demons are installed during human interaction and carried forward as inter generational genetic patterns. There is decay and degeneration with mutation, deformity, aging and death. Each mind is set with demons to resist God by opposing and resisting while maintaining a hard heart. Human strength is opposition to God.


Today we understand the brain and hormones as being active and each person has feelings which can be stimulated while talking and interacting with others. Human's are bonded, but the results are not good.

1 Samuel 15:23 (KJV)23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

All mankind are rebellious and it is a state of mind that leads to behavior which includes how words are spoken, the hardness behind them.

 

[AllanV]

Fundamental difference here is one person believes the Spirit is given to function as a conduit between Yeshua and us, as exemplified by the relationship between the Father and the Son. The other believes the Spirit is given to function the Torah/law as the conduit.

I'm with you Allan, I don't believe the Spirit is given to teach everyone the Torah as given Israel. I think you have a much better understanding than Rob about the function of the Spirit and our position in Messiah. Good Job!

It is difficult to relate something that the natural mind is set to resist. The opposition in the natural mind needs to be actively unraveled to some extent in an approach to God.
The Eternal God needs to be sought as a completion within the heart and mind and this requires a withdrawal from the usual hardness in them as a beginning. Jesus has given the example and is able to reveal the required pattern inwardly in a spirit lead transformation.

 

[BukiRob]

It is difficult to relate something that the natural mind is set to resist. The opposition in the natural mind needs to be actively unraveled to some extent in an approach to God.
The Eternal God needs to be sought as a completion within the heart and mind and this requires a withdrawal from the usual hardness in them as a beginning. Jesus has given the example and is able to reveal the required pattern inwardly in a spirit lead transformation.

You are repeatedly violating what scripture plainly states.

The Law will be written on our hearts and IN OUR MINDS. That very fact that is prophecied by Jeremiah refutes your claim.

The New Covenant is the Torah written on the human heart and in the human mind it is just that simple. None of this new age gibberish you are pushing that is violating what G-d has to say on the matter is relevant.

More importantly you have hijacked this thread. NONE of what you are talking about deals with ANYTHING that I asked when I started this thread.

 

[AllanV]

AllanV
I apologize for not using scripture to back up a personal experience I know is true but there are so many interpretations that the message is lost. The Gospel is about the kingdom of God and there is a barrier or veil in the mind to knowing God as He requests. Only Jesus has become immortal and His mind is the mind of an immortal and this must be found to be regenerated to immortality. We must take on His nature.
Ephesians 3:18, Paul prays that we might "grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ."

Which you can not do in the flesh in this life... hence the need as Paul tells us we will put on these things AFTER the Resurrection. I simply do not understand why you insists on debating this. If you already possed it then saying you need to put it on is nonsensical.

John 4:24(KJV)24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


John 1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 The Word(TORAH) became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NKJV)
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Jeremiah 24:7 I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD. They will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart.
Ironic that you cite these passage of scripture while ignoring when Jeremiah clearly defines what the new covenant is... the Torah written on the believers heart and in their minds
John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Titus iii.5, R. V., "Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost."



The scriptures confirm that what is written by me is true depending of course who interprets it. It is not about letters on a page but by the Spirit. The Love of the Son with His nature, when found is energized by the Spirit of God.

Yet in your fleshly desire to do away with OBEDIENCE you throw out Adonai's Statues, decrees, commandments and law. Yeshua saves us from the Law of "SIN AND DEATH" that we might be FREE to walk in righteousness and obedience. There is NO MIDDLE ground here. One either chooses to walk obediently or one does not. Messiah's sacrifice is what saves us but the choice to be obedient is up to us.

Ephesians 3:19 (KJV) 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


Romans 5:5 (NKJV) 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Mark 12:30-31 (NIV)30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’a]">[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”
You rightly cite Mark 12. The problem is most "christians" define keeping those two as doing what they think is right in their own eyes. Practicing self deception under the guise of a pseudo spiritual justification of living fleshly.

The point of the Torah is your natural mind is INCAPABLE of correctly doing the first or second of the great commandments. The Torah shows us HOW to walk in such a manner that we are fulfilling those 2 commandments. It is G-d who states HOW we are to love our neighbor and HOW we are to love G-d. The problem is believers in their flesh want NO PART of this and the warping and perverting of Paul's teaching gives them a justification for rejecting G-d's ways in exchange for their own ways.

 

[AllanV]

You are repeatedly violating what scripture plainly states.

The Law will be written on our hearts and IN OUR MINDS. That very fact that is prophecied by Jeremiah refutes your claim.

The New Covenant is the Torah written on the human heart and in the human mind it is just that simple. None of this new age gibberish you are pushing that is violating what G-d has to say on the matter is relevant.

More importantly you have hijacked this thread. NONE of what you are talking about deals with ANYTHING that I asked when I started this thread.

The thread has been reread and it is actually well written.
There is some objection to Theomatics and what was read does not indicate the true hiding place of Satan and his demons therefore caution is needed. The study of the idea is a work of the flesh which you are set against but this is obviously only when it suits your position in a discussion.

It is a worry that the idea that the holy Spirit can be of no effect in a transformation. On one hand you say the flesh cannot be involved but there is no indication from you exactly what the Spirit is.

Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Therefore when obedient the Holy Spirit is given. The Spirit will lead all the way to the Love of Christ and God will indwell.
This is the truth. The scriptures relate this and how to go about it.

 

[BukiRob]

The thread has been reread and it is actually well written.
There is some objection to Theomatics and what was read does not indicate the true hiding place of Satan and his demons therefore caution is needed. The study of the idea is a work of the flesh which you are set against but this is obviously only when it suits your position in a discussion.

It is a worry that the idea that the holy Spirit can be of no effect in a transformation. On one hand you say the flesh cannot involved but there is no indication from you exactly what the Spirit is.

Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Therefore when obedient the Holy Spirit is given. The Spirit will lead all the way to the Love of Christ and God will indwell.
This is the truth. The scriptures relate this and how to go about it.

The thread has been reread and it is actually well written.
There is some objection to Theomatics and what was read does not indicate the true hiding place of Satan and his demons therefore caution is needed. The study of the idea is a work of the flesh which you are set against but this is obviously only when it suits your position in a discussion.

It is a worry that the idea that the holy Spirit can be of no effect in a transformation. On one hand you say the flesh cannot involved but there is no indication from you exactly what the Spirit is.

Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Therefore when obedient the Holy Spirit is given. The Spirit will lead all the way to the Love of Christ and God will indwell.
This is the truth. The scriptures relate this and how to go about it.

You have a bunch incoherent thoughts that are rambling here... none of what you are saying here is making any sense.

rewrite it please

 

[BukiRob]

The scriptures relate why man was created. It is to Glorify God.
By presenting the body as a living sacrifice God will fill it up and be Glorified.
Modern Christian religion tends to preach Jesus but not the cross of Christ as a crossing over from glorifying own self from own intellect, to taking up the divine nature so that God can energize the Love in it and be Glorified. The individual will over flow with the power of Love from within. The fruits of the Spirit are described and exceed what any self willed human is able to show.

The enmity toward God is also explained in scriptures. There is a hereditary line and a social order that maintains a way of seeing this reality in its own belief. It is called the kingdom of Satan. Again modern religion is not revealing exactly how this works within everybody. This needs to be dealt with now not in the future after Jesus returns.
The natural mind is encumbered with attachments called fixtures in the mind or demons and these manifest in behavior and the emphasis on words as people talk to each other. The energy comes from within a person off a hard heart.
Even the earth is subject to oxidizing with decay. Why and how all this began can be read but it is difficult to relate to.

I see a lot of pyscho-babel but no scripture supporting your view. EVERYTHING that exists, exists to glorify G-d but yet, you STILL have not answered the question.

Man's DEFAULT condition is 2 fold. #1 we are born d@mned. If you do nothing you are doomed to hell. Is THAT merciful and just? Anyone that would suggest it is.... is lying. Clearly, G-d can do whatever he wants, he is after all G-d. Sending his only begotten son as a sacrifice for our redemption overwhelmingly suggest that much more is going on that what you are implying.

#2) even worse, we are born with a rebellious nature that puts us in our natural state at open war with G-d.

How can G-d declare he is just if a person comes into existence in this universe in a default condition of death and at war with G-d and then have an existence where they must "overcome" by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony?


I want you to look at Rev 12 again.. see it CLOSELY. 7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them!


Notice that there is NO transitional language suggesting a different event or location from 7-9 and verse 10. In other words verse 10 is a continuation of what is occurring in 7-9 This then means that what is being said in verse 10 is speaking about what just previously occurred. The brethren the angels are speaking of are those who are cast out of heaven and are changed when they enter this physical realm and land on earth in the womb of their mothers where they are born as men and women.

We are doomed by default as a result of the rebellion we all took part in. We are born with a rebellious nature because G-d has given us over to our rebellion. And it is only by his unfathomable mercy that he saw fit to make a way of redemption. That is why we are born when and where we are born and it is why we are naturally at enmity towards G-d

 

[BukiRob]

Christ in me is the immortal part, the anointing of the Spirit. Because it is continuously within, then there is the hope of immortality. The body is obviously biological but the mind must give up its predatory ability of attempting to get into the minds of others.
The rebellious nature is as the sin of witchcraft as the Prophet Samuel said to King Saul. The human has the ability to stir up feelings in others because the body rules the will. Life experience in a biology is contained in the personality and manner in which a person behaves and talks to others.

Witchcraft is likened to hypnotic suggestion and gets into the mind and the brain and then the hormones and it is completely biological but driven by some mind power. Some develop skills to have more power but most do not recognize it in themselves.
The mind and will with own self belief is dangerous to others and represents the Kingdom of Satan with fixtures of the mind as his demons.
Demons are part of the normal make up of the human personality and are attached to tempt.

Jesus is totally different and His nature must be found and then immortality is sure and the person who has His nature will be resurrected and not judged.
Action needs to be taken now it is not a case of waiting until after a person is dead.

You can try and parse until your face turns blue. But scripture makes it unmistakably clear that when you are raised YOU WILL PUT ON IMMORTALITY. The fact that you must put it on means YOU ARE NOT IMMORTAL.