Anyone else practice psionics?

[MsteveM]

I wouldn't say psionics is inherently evil, just a load of bull.

But hey, if you can prove telekinesis is possible, then I'll be the first to jump on board.

yeah, telekenesis is a proven phenomenon. alot of psionics is closely tied with quantum physics/mechanics theory. look it up

but on other hand, i just did it (nothing major, i'm no yoda), so thats enough proof for me.

wanna jump on board? its a learnable and teachable skill though and requires practice and patience....

 

[TheReasoner]

yeah, telekenesis is a proven phenomenon. alot of psionics is closely tied with quantum physics/mechanics theory. look it up

but on other hand, i just did it (nothing major, i'm no yoda), so thats enough proof for me.

wanna jump on board? its a learnable and teachable skill though and requires practice and patience....

I've seen magicks. I've experienced some things that cannot be explained by science. Not so far anyway. I believe that some/most of these were not physics or of this world at least.
I am cautious to this as it may be spiritual, it may be physics. I have my doubts that the small currents and tiny chemical changes in your brain can move a physical object all alone.
So until presented with this evidence I will believe psionics is spiritual and a no-no.

 

[MsteveM]

I've seen magicks.

So until presented with this evidence I will believe psionics is spiritual and a no-no.

it has nothing to do with magick. i personally avoid involving myself in anything that may somehow include outside spirits/demons.

the evidence and appropriate sources can be googled without too much effort. searching a scientific journal directly usually takes more time, but it's easier to verify the information. chemical changes have nothing to do with moving an object. it's more along the lines of using parts of the brain that aren't a part of normal conscious activity (or that some people never even use), coupled with a sub-atomic manipulation of surrounding energy.

it's very interesting to me, which is why i choose to learn as much about it as possible either from lab-controlled experiments or other people's personal experience (reliable people anyway, there are plenty of nutjobs out there - and by now i'm sure you think i'm one of them).

your opinion is your own choice.

thanks for your reply. have a great day!

 

[guitargatler]

Hello! I completely disagree with the idea that EVERYTHING that is considered to be of psionic/paranormal nature by most people is evil. It makes sense to me that such skills can be used by people because we are all, in a way of divine nature and made in God's own image. DO NOT fall into the trap of beleiving all the power is within yourself and you do everything by yourself. any skill or ability you have or learn is only possible by God - He gave people this gift and like anything else, the glory should go to Him.

Learnable skills, such as psychokinesis and telekenesis are, to some extent, supported by scientific research and experimentation. Consider that everything (solid or not) is made out of energy -- why would we not be able to manipulate energy around us if it is overlapping with our own energy?

I personally have never considered reiki to be of a psychic nature because it is involved with a person's own energy and based on the movement and restoration of biological energy pathways (as i understand it anyway). In this manner, Reiki is very similar to accupuncture and accupressure - which i'm sure nobody would deem 'evil' (all are proven, natural methods of healing..not some voodoo load of bull). is hypnosis evil? that can heal quite effectively as well, and it uses one's own mind to do so. what about white blood cells? (ok, that ones a little ridiculous.. but you get my point).

Reiki is entirely different from the 'laying of hands' technique in the Bible (although it does often involve touching them). It's a healing art based upon energy. A Biblical laying of hands is God directly working through a person. Consider an energy healing practitioner as a doctor. Is giving someone medicine evil because it's not relying upon God? Thank God for the medicine, Thank God for any natural energetic healing as well. if there is a reiki practitioner at that church, that is a wonderful thing! maybe the healer is asking God to help him with his abilities?

unless i'm mistaken, i beleive what he is discussing about psionics does not involve any odd instruments, devices, incantations, spiritual communication , spells or anything that is used in paganism or wicca (which i do beleive is evil). he is speaking of the manipulation of energy (aka chi, ki, psi -- whatever you want to call it, basically its just energy) around him.

some practices, such as deliberately leaving your body (although temporary and the body keeps doing what its doing, and some people have done it uninentionally under perfectly healthy circumstances), may be against God's will. I don't know for sure because it can be accidental - apparently it can happen while in a tranced state, just as the body is falling asleep). i have never done such a thing, nor do i intend to because i think it might be a sin to toy around with. i've also heard of it accidentally happening with people in deep meditation. (meditation -- the act of allowing the body and mind to relax and possibly concentrate on one or no subjects is not evil, regardless of whether or not it is assisted by a mantra (a phrase repeated/contemplated during the meditation to assist concentration)).

Please don't speak out of ignorance, deeming it evil without fully learning about the subject at hand. I am a Christian by the way.

think about this -- if you throw a baseball at a tree and it hits, did God do that or did you? if it misses the tree and hits a kid standing nearby, who did it? (likewise, who moved the energy during the healing?)

if you choose to develop psionic skills, use them in a way to glorify God.

Psionics is not necessarily "new age", although new age stuff does seem to claim alot of odd things. practicing a learned skill does not in any way mean someone is accepting a "new age" philosophy. new age seems more along the lines of a mix of hippie thought with buddhism or something... i honestly dont know a whole lot about it, nor am i interested to learn about it.

whether you admit it or not, you're psychic in some form of the definition. you can't change that - it's the way God made you. it's your choice to develop some of the skills if you like (but it does take practice, and the beleif that it can happen like anything else).

the faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain.

if anyone still beleives psionics is evil, i encourage you to look for a 'pk party' (psychokinesis) in your area to truly experience it. they're very fun and you get to bend silverware and do some other fun things with energy!

if you're curious about any science or physics behind psionics, you can probably find plenty of info on google (something like telekenesis+physics or psychokinesis+aura+science will probably bring results).

i usually don't share my thoughts with fellow christians unless asked, but i wanted to give my opinion in this thread.

i guess the only way to truly be on the cutting edge of science is to be called crazy

That sounds all well and good and everything but if you want to convince me its not against God, you'll have to produce some kind of biblical evidence where its from God. This movement of energy you speek of relates to the spiritual world, and a lot of things happen in the spiritual world that are very decieving "even demons perform miracles". I would be very reluctant to dabble in anything of the spirit world unless I knew for sure it was of the Holy spirit. I've had experiences with seeing things that I didn't want to see, and I really dont think thats something that people should be doing. But thats just my opinion

But if you feel like its something that God has told you its ok to do or you feel like the holy spirit is moving in you to do these things than go for it.

 

[Theophorus]

it has nothing to do with magick. i personally avoid involving myself in anything that may somehow include outside spirits/demons.

the evidence and appropriate sources can be googled without too much effort. searching a scientific journal directly usually takes more time, but it's easier to verify the information. chemical changes have nothing to do with moving an object. it's more along the lines of using parts of the brain that aren't a part of normal conscious activity (or that some people never even use), coupled with a sub-atomic manipulation of surrounding energy.

it's very interesting to me, which is why i choose to learn as much about it as possible either from lab-controlled experiments or other people's personal experience (reliable people anyway, there are plenty of nutjobs out there - and by now i'm sure you think i'm one of them).

your opinion is your own choice.

thanks for your reply. have a great day!

Have you ever heard of Silva mind control? It is based on "scientific" principles using biofeedback, and by mental exercises, manipulating brain wave patterns. It sounds benign. Depending on the person I can assure you it is not, from personal experience.

 

[Foamhead]

I have been into occult/occult research since childhood and have never once seen anyone with provable psychic powers. I'm not saying they do not exist but if they do, their practitioners are not charging $5.99 a minute, and you definitely can't learn it.

Saying it has been proven is incorrect, as no one has ever been able to demonstrate a psychic power under proper lab conditions ever, which leads me to believe it is mostly bunk.

 

[diamond717]

This does not sound like a good thing to me. I have experienced phenomenon before, and even if it doesn't seem bad at first, that can change rapidly. Laying on hands and praying for an individual who is ill is fine. Doing any congering, and such is definitely bad. If it is from some "inner power" on your part, then demonic activity is what is happening. Stay away from anything that is not specifically in the Bible, and performed by Jesus or the Apostles.

 

[MsteveM]

Have you ever heard of Silva mind control? It is based on "scientific" principles using biofeedback, and by mental exercises, manipulating brain wave patterns. It sounds benign. Depending on the person I can assure you it is not, from personal experience.

no, i'm not familar with silva mind control.. although the way you describe it sounds similar to hypnosis.

foamhead, it has nothing to do with the occult, and you're right that most of you "5.99/minute" people are just making stuff up, but it is learnable. seriously, the best way to get rid of any doubts is to find a 'pk party' in your area and check it out.. as far as i know, an 80+ % success ratio is about the norm.

second best way is probably a parapsychology journal or something similar..

also something relevant: check out the 'hutchison effect' - a machine that emmits energy with almost the same effects on inatimate objects as psychokinesis.

 

[Nightson]

Empathy is pretty easy, telepathy harder, reiki is one of many healing methods (and not mine), and I've never seen one actual instance of telekinesis.

 

[Foamhead]

no, i'm not familar with silva mind control.. although the way you describe it sounds similar to hypnosis.

foamhead, it has nothing to do with the occult, and you're right that most of you "5.99/minute" people are just making stuff up, but it is learnable. seriously, the best way to get rid of any doubts is to find a 'pk party' in your area and check it out.. as far as i know, an 80+ % success ratio is about the norm.

second best way is probably a parapsychology journal or something similar..

also something relevant: check out the 'hutchison effect' - a machine that emmits energy with almost the same effects on inatimate objects as psychokinesis.

Not Occult? All supernatural gobbldygook is part of the occult. Aliens, cryptozoology etc...

Psychic powers are for the most part total nonsense. If it were as easy to do as you make it out to be, everyone would be doing it.

 

[MsteveM]

Not Occult? All supernatural gobbldygook is part of the occult. Aliens, cryptozoology etc...

Psychic powers are for the most part total nonsense. If it were as easy to do as you make it out to be, everyone would be doing it.

first of all, it's not supernatural... why would it be? and what do aliens have anything to do with the occult? the occult is directly involved with demonic/satanic activity, as far as i understand its definition. if you want to beleive it's 'of the devil', then that's fine.

what is your opinion on hypnotism? is that somehow evil? people under hypnotic influence have been able to do things that they apparently should not be able to do, or say things that they apparently should not know or even remember. this is done through suggestions to the subconcious mind.. if the subconcious truly beleives something, the body will adjust itself accordingly. success in hypnotism is usually dependent upon 1) skill of hypnotist, 2) beleif of subject and 3) intelligence of subject (unintelligent people tend to be more difficult to hypnotize).

is accupuncture evil? it deals alot with energy (same stuff with psionics), so maybe it's occultic... or maybe nonsense?

it's not 'quite' as easy as you think i make it out to be, and i've never seen a total skeptic actually succeed in anything remotely releated to psionics... most people who actually think they can do it really can. and sometimes people really do things or know things that is apparently unexplainable. maybe you personally have not experienced anything of the sort ever at any time in your life, but it's really not that uncommon. ever had anyone standing behind you (and you didn't know they were there beforehand), and suddenly felt a tingle or urge to turn around? thats one example of energy sensitivity.

i dont even like the term psychic powers, but for some reason, its classified under psychic activity.

i'm not talking about some crazy nut wearing funny clothes and jewlery with occultic and other odd symbols on them, with a pack of the latest tarot cards and a super duper crystal ball running around, trying to show everyone their 'special powers'.

 

[Foamhead]

first of all, it's not supernatural... why would it be? and what do aliens have anything to do with the occult? the occult is directly involved with demonic/satanic activity, as far as i understand its definition. if you want to beleive it's 'of the devil', then that's fine.

what is your opinion on hypnotism? is that somehow evil? people under hypnotic influence have been able to do things that they apparently should not be able to do, or say things that they apparently should not know or even remember. this is done through suggestions to the subconcious mind.. if the subconcious truly beleives something, the body will adjust itself accordingly. success in hypnotism is usually dependent upon 1) skill of hypnotist, 2) beleif of subject and 3) intelligence of subject (unintelligent people tend to be more difficult to hypnotize).

is accupuncture evil? it deals alot with energy (same stuff with psionics), so maybe it's occultic... or maybe nonsense?

it's not 'quite' as easy as you think i make it out to be, and i've never seen a total skeptic actually succeed in anything remotely releated to psionics... most people who actually think they can do it really can. and sometimes people really do things or know things that is apparently unexplainable. maybe you personally have not experienced anything of the sort ever at any time in your life, but it's really not that uncommon. ever had anyone standing behind you (and you didn't know they were there beforehand), and suddenly felt a tingle or urge to turn around? thats one example of energy sensitivity.

i dont even like the term psychic powers, but for some reason, its classified under psychic activity.

i'm not talking about some crazy nut wearing funny clothes and jewlery with occultic and other odd symbols on them, with a pack of the latest tarot cards and a super duper crystal ball running around, trying to show everyone their 'special powers'.

Supernatural, n, - The supernatural refers to conscious magical, religious or unknown forces that cannot ordinarily be perceived except through their effects. This word is often used interchangeably with preternatural or paranormal. Unlike natural forces, these putative supernatural forces can not be shown to exist by the scientific method. Supernatural claims assert phenomena beyond the realm of current scientific understanding, which are often in direct conflict with current scientific theory.

I never said the occult was satanic. I would think my deism icon would indicate I don't believe in satan. I just said belief in psychic powers was silly, and until you or somene can prove they exist I won't change my mind.

 

[MsteveM]

oh, i didnt even notice the icon. 'i' cannot prove it to you because the only way most people will accept it is if they either experience it directly or watch it happen (and then they will argue and think of ways of why it wasnt real in the first place even after witnessing it). it's fine if you don't care, but if you do, then go to a "PK party" - like i said before, thats the absolute best way. if nothing else it will be fun.

so you think anything beyond the realm of current scientific understanding is occultic? ok then.

listing sources and relevent scientific theories and experiements wouldn't make any difference. my original intent of posting was moreso to encourage greame with his practice and share my thoughts on why i don't think psionics is 'evil' rather than to prove its existence.

if you want to know if energy manipulation, etc. is really possible, go to a public pk party ( w w w. j a c k h o u c k . c o m - info on what a 'pk party' is) and participate. don't try alone the first time because i seriously doubt you'll actually get it due to skepticism. if all you want is some research/reading material, check out w w w . p s i p o g . c o m and the links on their site.. some forums have specific areas for discussion/debate of the science behind it.

(type in the addresses in the browser normally with no spaces, i dont have enough posts to make a link..lol)

 

[*Starlight*]

Just like Voodun! You can use it for good or evil...it's the intention that counts.


No really, I was being sarcastic.

Holy Spirit is the only healer, not psionics. If I was you, I'd run far away from it as possible.

Umm... what about doctors? Or medicine? Are you against them too? If not, then... What's the difference? When someone's ill, goes to the doctor and takes medicine, it's the medicine and the doctor's skill that heals him, not Holy Spirit. And if Holy Spirit is the ONLY healer, then... medicine is evil! And doctors are actually demons in disguise!

 

[guitargatler]

Umm... what about doctors? Or medicine? Are you against them too? If not, then... What's the difference? When someone's ill, goes to the doctor and takes medicine, it's the medicine and the doctor's skill that heals him, not Holy Spirit. And if Holy Spirit is the ONLY healer, then... medicine is evil! And doctors are actually demons in disguise!

Doctors dont heal using the power of spirits. They dont deal with the spiritual world...there are many forms of so called "natural healing" some work some dont...i just think that when it comes to using non physical forms of healing the only acceptable version is through the holy spirit and is exemplified by jesus and the apostles in the bible.

and who knows...some doctors just may be "demons in disguise" you never know. Satan is a tricky character, and if you dont stick to things dealt with in the bible...its easy to be misled by him, or yourself. Thats just my opinion.

 

[*Starlight*]

Doctors dont heal using the power of spirits. They dont deal with the spiritual world...there are many forms of so called "natural healing" some work some dont...i just think that when it comes to using non physical forms of healing the only acceptable version is through the holy spirit and is exemplified by jesus and the apostles in the bible.

and who knows...some doctors just may be "demons in disguise" you never know. Satan is a tricky character, and if you dont stick to things dealt with in the bible...its easy to be misled by him, or yourself. Thats just my opinion.

But maybe psionics isn't a power of spirits. Personally, I believe that it's a natural phenomenon... I think that there's more to the Universe than just what we percieve and what has already been discovered and explained. Otherwise, science would be no longer needed... I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that a very long time ago, magnetism was thought to be a sign of demonic activity. The same could be with psionics now...

 

[TheReasoner]

But maybe psionics isn't a power of spirits. Personally, I believe that it's a natural phenomenon... I think that there's more to the Universe than just what we percieve and what has already been discovered and explained. Otherwise, science would be no longer needed... I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that a very long time ago, magnetism was thought to be a sign of demonic activity. The same could be with psionics now...

How do you know?
It could be natural. But until it is proven to be so, I would choose to be careful.

 

[SavedByAnAngel]

New Age thinking is that God is in everything, we are all God, and that by transforming our consciousness, we can discover the "God" in us. That's a bunch of baloney. That's the same logic Satan used against Eve in the garden of Eden.
Even Jesus when he was here on earth did not equate himself with God. "being in very nature God , did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing........and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-even death on a cross!" Philippians 2: 6-8

The point being not that men can become gods, but that God became man and died for our sins so that we can have eternal life.

 

[Theophorus]

no, i'm not familar with silva mind control.. although the way you describe it sounds similar to hypnosis.

foamhead, it has nothing to do with the occult, and you're right that most of you "5.99/minute" people are just making stuff up, but it is learnable. seriously, the best way to get rid of any doubts is to find a 'pk party' in your area and check it out.. as far as i know, an 80+ % success ratio is about the norm.

second best way is probably a parapsychology journal or something similar..

also something relevant: check out the 'hutchison effect' - a machine that emmits energy with almost the same effects on inatimate objects as psychokinesis.

It was popular in the 70's as a scientific approach into the Trascendental Meditation craze of the time. The idea was to take the physiology of TM and seperate it from its buddhist and hindu origins. The technique was similar to a self hypnosis, with the goal being to train the mind to reach the beta and delta levels while being conscious. Research was done into self healing, and even attempt to travel astrally, though its adherents would not have used that term. If I am correct there seemed to be the theory that more intuative states were possible at these levels of brain activity. Biofeedback was used to confirm that these states were being accomplished, or that one could actually maniupulate things such as heart rate etc. I believe even the military experiemented with it for some time. It was all very scientific.

Well, my mother was using it a night when I was 10 yrs old. She managed to summon something that scared the hell out of us for two weeks. When she stopped the silva mind control, the phenomena stopped.
It was the one of the single wierdest and scarriest time in my life, as well as my sister's and my mothers's as I came to learn years later.

I do not care how scientific it may present itself, I would stay away from it.

 

[SmackDaddy]

But maybe psionics isn't a power of spirits. Personally, I believe that it's a natural phenomenon... I think that there's more to the Universe than just what we percieve and what has already been discovered and explained. Otherwise, science would be no longer needed... I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that a very long time ago, magnetism was thought to be a sign of demonic activity. The same could be with psionics now...

Very well said.......and in "scientific tests", there was a replica of the "Ark of the Covenant" made whereby ancient and rudamentary "batteries" were made (using the idea from old batteries found back in the "biblical times")....and back when science wasn't "everywhere" or at the knowledge level it is now, if you were to receive a strong enough jolt via an electric current flowing through a gold plated ark), you'd think it was of god too if that's what you were told!!!!

Just because science hasn't proven something to date, isn't a dubunkable thing. Science can neither prove whether God exists or not, yet most here believe in Him......