Anyone else have a unique eschatology?

[dwb001]

This is an oxymoron.
You cannot have a rapture pre tribulation, after the Millennium.

Will the world just continue on, more or less as we are now? Or will there be a 'reset of Civilization' similar to what happened in Noah's time?
I believe the latter, God did destroy the antediluvian peoples and He says He will do it again; this time with fire. 2 Peter 3:1-7, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, the event which will come as a thief and dramatically change the world, Revelation 6:12-17


It seems that Noah's society was quite similar to our own today. Just getting on with life as normal. But the similarity that both societies have that our Creator God cannot allow to continue, is how the majority of the people have no regard for and ignore their Maker.
Humans are like self drive cars that have gone off every which way!

A non Christian may ask; Why are we here? They fail to read God's Word that states His intention: To have a people who believe in the Creator God and have chosen of their free will, to keep His Commandments. They will be the ones who will go with God into Eternity, the rest of mankind will not. Revelation 20:11-15 and Revelation 21:1-7


Malachi 3:16-18 Those who feared the Lord talked together and the Lord paid heed and listened. A record was Written before Him of those who feared His and respected His Name. [the Book of Life]
They will be Mine, says the Lord of Hosts, My own precious possession on the Day that I appoint, for I shall spare them as a man spares the son who serves him.
Once more it will be known who are righteous and who are wicked, between the servants of God and those who do not serve Him.

You don't get it... OK. Just say you don't understand and move on.

There is.no oxymoron. You just put your own eschatology theories onto mine and that don't fit.

 

[AYM]

You don't get it... OK. Just say you don't understand and move on.

There is.no oxymoron. You just put your own eschatology theories onto mine and that don't fit.

Are you saying the tribulation is after the millennium?

 

[dwb001]

Are you saying the tribulation is after the millennium?

No.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's.... definitely unique.

Oh, I've come across others who already hold that "kind" of interpretation about it. But they're very, very few and far between.

 

[Mr E]

Just that.

I am looking to see if there are people with a unique eschatology AND are open to changing their minds.

I put a bit of a twist on the end but there you go. I can't be the only person with a unique (in my opinion) eschatology and still approach eschatology with an open mind.

My particular flavor of eschatology is pre-trib post-mill rapture. Who out there is also an odd duck?

There will be no such thing as 'the rapture' as people commonly think of it happening based on books and movies.

There will indeed be a great tribulation, aka time of Jacob's troubles- that we see developing with our own eyes.

Christ has come, just as in ages past-- and call his own. They will be taken home with him in spirit (this is the only "rapture") and a remnant will be left behind --the firstfruits-- a planting for the next season, the next generation. A new earth.

 

[dwb001]

There will be no such thing as 'the rapture' as people commonly think of it happening based on books and movies.

There will indeed be a great tribulation, aka time of Jacob's troubles- that we see developing with our own eyes.

Christ has come, just as in ages past-- and call his own. They will be taken home with him in spirit (this is the only "rapture") and a remnant will be left behind --the firstfruits-- a planting for the next season, the next generation. A new earth.

So you have a recursive loop eschatology. OK. Not what I am looking for... but that's OK.

 

[Mr E]

So you have a recursive loop eschatology. OK. Not what I am looking for... but that's OK.

Yes, I take God at His word-- and He said (in the aftermath of the flood)-

And the LORD smelled the soothing aroma and said to himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, even though the inclination of their minds is evil from childhood on. I will never again destroy everything that lives, as I have just done.

“While the earth continues to exist,
planting time and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
and day and night will not cease.”

 

[dwb001]

Yes, I take God at His word-- and He said (in the aftermath of the flood)-

And the LORD smelled the soothing aroma and said to himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, even though the inclination of their minds is evil from childhood on. I will never again destroy everything that lives, as I have just done.

“While the earth continues to exist,
planting time and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
and day and night will not cease.”

But Rev 20 says the Earth is no more. So that ends the time of the passage you quoted. So the end of Earth stops the recuse loop. Unless you feel there is a second creation event.

 

[Mr E]

But Rev 20 says the Earth is no more. So that ends the time of the passage you quoted. So the end of Earth stops the recuse loop. Unless you feel there is a second creation event.

A new earth is simply a new beginning. Rev 20 doesn't supercede God's promise in Gen 8. It's just another example of an end of season and a new beginning. It's happened thousands, millions, or even an infinite number of times.... God is eternal- without beginning or end. We have great difficulty understanding or speaking in such terms.

But the earth is very, very old. To think otherwise is to deny archeological, geological and cosmological evidence. We are told the story as Moses knew it. As was taught to him. He starts 'In the beginning' -- like we would tell a story to convey a concept-- "once upon a time." And so he begins to lay out his understanding. Within his telling of it, we get but a snapshot of things.... we see Adam, and then Adam and Eve, and then their sons-- one of whom kills the other and immediately goes off into the wilderness and starts a family. Do you think that Moses's story telling is complete? Or is it but the beginning of a chapter?

In his telling of the beginning (as he understood it) the earth is formless and void, but the prophet Isaiah informs us that the earth was NOT created to be empty, rather God formed it to be inhabited.

For this is what the LORD says,
the one who created the sky—
he is the true God,
the one who formed the earth and made it;
he established it,
he did not create it without order,
he formed it to be inhabited

So then the very purpose for the creation of the earth was for it to be inhabited by people. God does not violate His own principles and purposes, even if amateur theologians think they understand what 'must' happen next based on ideas they have in their heads. We are but a vapor.

I do give you creds, however, for recognizing recursive principles. Fibonacci would be proud.

 

[dwb001]

A new earth is simply a new beginning. Rev 20 doesn't supercede God's promise in Gen 8. It's just another example of an end of season and a new beginning. It's happened thousands, millions, or even an infinite number of times.... God is eternal- without beginning or end. We have great difficulty understanding or speaking in such terms.

But the earth is very, very old. To think otherwise is to deny archeological, geological and cosmological evidence. We are told the story as Moses knew it. As was taught to him. He starts 'In the beginning' -- like we would tell a story to convey a concept-- "once upon a time." And so he begins to lay out his understanding. Within his telling of it, we get but a snapshot of things.... we see Adam, and then Adam and Eve, and then their sons-- one of whom kills the other and immediately goes off into the wilderness and starts a family. Do you think that Moses's story telling is complete? Or is it but the beginning of a chapter?

In his telling of the beginning (as he understood it) the earth is formless and void, but the prophet Isaiah informs us that the earth was NOT created to be empty, rather God formed it to be inhabited.

For this is what the LORD says,
the one who created the sky—
he is the true God,
the one who formed the earth and made it;
he established it,
he did not create it without order,
he formed it to be inhabited

So then the very purpose for the creation of the earth was for it to be inhabited by people. God does not violate His own principles and purposes, even if amateur theologians think they understand what 'must' happen next based on ideas they have in their heads. We are but a vapor.

I do give you creds, however, for recognizing recursive principles. Fibonacci would be proud.

Maybe you need to reread Revelation 20.

The New Earth has much more of a Dyson Sphere vibe.

 

[AYM]

No.

Then I'd have to agree with the post that says that's a paradox.

Please explain.

 

[dwb001]

Then I'd have to agree with the post that says that's a paradox.

Please explain.

It is not a paradox.

What is confusing you in particular?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Then I'd have to agree with the post that says that's a paradox.

Please explain.

@dwb001, @AYM

Personally, I don't think any of us can read Revelation and know for sure how the Lord is going to met it all out. It's always stimulating to think about it though, isn't it?

 

[Mr E]

Maybe you need to reread Revelation 20.

The New Earth has much more of a Dyson Sphere vibe.

I'm familiar with both. Maybe you should review Gen 8. Does God break His promises?

 

[AYM]

It is not a paradox.

What is confusing you in particular?

Are you saying there's both a rapture before the tribulation, and another one after the millennium?

@dwb001, @AYM

Personally, I don't think any of us can read Revelation and know for sure how the Lord is going to met it all out. It's always stimulating to think about it though, isn't it?

Yep as I said, the more I know, the more I know I don't know.

But there are some things I think I know lol.

 

[dwb001]

@dwb001, @AYM

Personally, I don't think any of us can read Revelation and know for sure how the Lord is going to met it all out. It's always stimulating to think about it though, isn't it?

So you do not believe the Bible.
Why not?

 

[dwb001]

I'm familiar with both. Maybe you should review Gen 8. Does God break His promises?

Gen 8 says "all the days of the Earth".
But after all the days of the Earth all bets are off.
God doesn't break His promises... but man oft doesn't understand God's promises.

 

[dwb001]

Are you saying there's both a rapture before the tribulation, and another one after the millennium?

Nope.

Yep as I said, the more I know, the more I know I don't know.

But there are some things I think I know lol.

Revelation is a very simple book of the Bible to understand. Why do so many have issues with reading it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So you do not believe the Bible.
Why not?

I didn't say anything about not believing the Bible. Where did you get that idea?

However, I will say that "believing" the Bible [or specifically, Revelation] and knowing fully what it means are two different things ...

 

[dwb001]

I didn't say anything about not believing the Bible. Where did you get that idea?

From your post. It is what you said all be it in different words but that is the jist of your post.

However, I will say that "believing" the Bible [or specifically, Revelation] and knowing fully what it means are two different things ...

Excuse me. Where is the idea of understanding in Revelation?
Maybe read Revelation 1:3 for clarity on how to approach Revelation.