Any truth in Freud's 'oedipus complex' theory?

[dms1972]

To summarise

Freud thought that a man's goal's in life are to:

* Detach himself from his mother
* Reconcile himself to his father
* Find someone to love who is not identical to his mother.

He believed that male children are first attached to their mothers and see their fathers as rivals for their mother's love. Feelings of fear and jealousy of a boy towards his father are mingled with a sense of guilt, as the child also has some feelings of love for his father.

The oedipal complex takes place usually during what he termed the 'phallic phase' the third of Freudian theory's five psycho-sexual phases of maturing, thought to be a period of childhood (roughly between 3 and 6 years of age) - he believed one has to have navigated this phase of growing up successfully or one will have problems later in life. Psychoanalysis seemingly was his way of helping people who were stuck.

It is taken from from the character of Oedipus in greek mythology who unwittingly murdered his father and married his mother.

That's it pretty much in a nut shell, though I am sure he went into more detail.

Oedipus complex - Wikipedia

What do you think?

 

[salt-n-light]

To summarise

Freud thought that a man's goal's in life are to:

* Detach himself from his mother
* Reconcile himself to his father
* Find someone to love who is not identical to his mother.

He believed that male children are first attached to their mothers and see their fathers as rivals for their mother's love. Feelings of fear and jealousy of a boy towards his father are mingled with a sense of guilt, as the child also has some feelings of love for his father.

An Oedipus Complex (from the character of Oedipus in greek mythology who unknowingly murdered his father and married his mother)

That's it pretty much in a nut shell, though I am sure he went into more detail.

What do you think? A valid psychological insight?

Wouldn't hold weight if the father isn't in the picture in the first place.

I would imagine if the rival (father) is missing, it either they get so attached to the mom that they want a girl like their mother, or they had so much of mom, that they seek the missing puzzle piece and get a father-figure ( I guess be gay?).

All babble, but I guess that complex have very loose truths on the nature of boyhood.

 

[TuxAme]

Hard to say, considering that he drew these conclusions when he was only counseling female patients with father issues. It was a stretch on his part to try and apply his "findings" (which really were just hypotheses) from emotionally disturbed women to emotionally stable people of both sexes.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

Freud's? No.

A more generally understood principle? Maybe.

It is true that children learn from their parents how to act toward the opposite sex. As such, the parent of the sex they are attracted to, teaches them how their future paramours might act; and the other parent, what is acceptable behaviour towards them. They are thus proxies for his future relationships - which is why sons always guage their partners by their mother (You don't cook it like my mother did); or daughters by their father. The parents' relationship sets the tone what they find acceptable, so that if that relationship was abusive, such abuse would have been somewhat normalised, and likely more endurable if within their own ones.

 

[dms1972]

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[dms1972]

Hard to say, considering that he drew these conclusions when he was only counseling female patients with father issues. It was a stretch on his part to try and apply his "findings" (which really were just hypotheses) from emotionally disturbed women to emotionally stable people of both sexes.

He seems to have drawn it from his own self-analysis.

'After his father's death in 1896, and having seen the play Oedipus Rex, by Sophocles, Freud begins using the term "Oedipus". As Freud wrote in an 1897 letter, "I found in myself a constant love for my mother, and jealousy of my father. I now consider this to be a universal event in early childhood.'


Oedipus complex - Wikipedia

 

[dms1972]

Wouldn't hold weight if the father isn't in the picture in the first place.

I would imagine if the rival (father) is missing, it either they get so attached to the mom that they want a girl like their mother, or they had so much of mom, that they seek the missing puzzle piece and get a father-figure ( I guess be gay?).

All babble, but I guess that complex have very loose truths on the nature of boyhood.

I would assume he is only talking about when both parents are present, I don't know if he had anything to say on cases were a father had left, or was away, or had died.

 

[SkyWriting]

To summarise Freud thought that a man's goal's in life are to:
1* Detach himself from his mother
2* Reconcile himself to his father
3* Find someone to love who is not identical to his mother.

He believed that male children are first attached to their mothers and see their fathers as rivals for their mother's love. Feelings of fear and jealousy of a boy towards his father are mingled with a sense of guilt, as the child also has some feelings of love for his father.

An Oedipus Complex (from the character of Oedipus in greek mythology who unknowingly murdered his father and married his mother)

That's it pretty much in a nut shell, though I am sure he went into more detail.

What do you think? A valid psychological insight?

How does a guy marrying his mother fit with #1 and #3?

 

[dms1972]

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[dms1972]

How does a guy marrying his mother fit with #1 and #3?

It doesn't - that why in Freud's view one has to have resolved the oedipus complex (he has a theory how that happens - which the wikipedia link explains) In Freud's view its a phase in childhood - or is worked through during a phase of childhood, something one must navigate to reach maturity. An unresolved oedipus complex prevents one from reaching these goals.

I added a little to my first post so that its explained better.

 

[SkyWriting]

It doesn't - that why in Freud's view one has to have resolved the oedipus complex (he has a theory how that happens - which the wikipedia link explains) In Freud's view its a phase in childhood - or is worked through during a phase of childhood, something one must navigate to reach maturity. An unresolved oedipus complex prevents one from reaching these goals.

I added a little to my first post so that its explained better.

Did Freud have access to mind altering drugs? Just wondering.

 

[dms1972]

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[dms1972]

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[dms1972]

I researched further , yes he had access to and used cocaine occasionally. He was for a while a proponent of its use both as a stimulant and a analgesic, but eventually stopped recommending it, while he continued to use it himself occasionally for depression.


Sigmund Freud - Wikipedia

 

[joshua 1 9]

What do you think? A valid psychological insight?

Clearly this is the work Satan wants to do in a family and does not reflect the work God is doing. Freud was dealing with what was abnormal or dysfunctional not normal.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Did Freud have access to mind altering drugs? Just wondering.

It is reported that he was taking cocaine.

 

[Tayla]

What do you think? A valid psychological insight?

It's sheer nonsense; the ravings of a lunatic. Not supported by modern psychology at all.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's sheer nonsense; the ravings of a lunatic. Not supported by modern psychology at all.

Oedipus was a mythical Greek king of Thebes. (wiki) Fraud and Jung tried to make Greek Mythology relevant for us today. A lot of our science today goes back to the Greeks and even all the way back to the Chaldean's of Ur that Abraham came out of. The challenge is always to separate truth and error as they tend to get mixed together.

2Cor6:17 "Therefore, "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

 

[SkyWriting]

It is reported that he was taking cocaine.

And not being a rock star, other use might have gone unnoticed.
How many drugs were discovered inside Prince or M.J.?

 

[dms1972]

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