I'm expecting a rush to post this to the "Fundies Say the Darndest Things" website. It's gold...
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Any secular justification for "Defense of Marriage"?
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I'm expecting a rush to post this to the "Fundies Say the Darndest Things" website. It's gold...
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Well. The very first thing I notice is that the title "When the Bride Is a Groom" indicates that this is from the viewpoint of males and that it's only acknowledging gay males.
Next, I notice that it was written in 1999 and claims that none of the remaining laws that criminalize same-sex sexual activity in the US are still enforced. False.
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It's perfectly OK as long as someone profited from it!
Hmm, I wonder why we don't just use this method right now instead of giving workers rights and wages...
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Now that I'm over my initial shock, I'll move on to the next part of your post. I have no idea how you can think this. It took the South decades to figure out how to function economically without slavery. They weren't ready for it. No one thought they were ready for it. They lost all of their free labor practically overnight. They were forced to change, and rightly so, but it was not a natural progression that occurred when the demand for slaves dropped, or whatever you're thinking.
You could make an argument for this regarding why the North abolished slavery so much sooner, but no one in the North was thinking "Let's abolish slavery in the South because they have so many factories!"
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Nonsense packaged into a PDF is still nonsense. Seriously, it's like they took all the worst cliched "arguments" that have laughed at for years and just bundled them together. I think their hoping that the total amount of idiocy is more persuasive than each idiotic statement...
Oh, and if gay men supposedly came from monkeys, then why are their still gay monkeys? Think on that one...
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KitKatMatt
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Children need people to raise them as the best possible situation. Studies have shown that same sex parents are just as capable of raising happy, well adjusted kids as opposite sex partners.
And kids can also be raised to be happy and well adjusted by people who aren't their mom and dad. If I had been raised by my parents, I'd either be a heavy alcoholic with a drug problem, or dead. Thank goodness the government stepped in and kept that from happening.
And kids can also be raised to be happy and well adjusted by people who aren't their mom and dad. If I had been raised by my parents, I'd either be a heavy alcoholic with a drug problem, or dead. Thank goodness the government stepped in and kept that from happening.
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Even if research showed this (the results vary), this isn't a reason to ban same-sex marriage. No one is held to these standards. Widows and widowers don't lose their children. Unwed mothers aren't required to give up the baby. Some single people are allowed to adopt. Conversely, opposite-sex couples are allowed to marry even if they have no plans to include children in their household.
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Excellent comments. A 15 year old girl can fall pregnant, choose to keep the child and attempt to raise it herself, and somehow this is preferable to a committed, loving, but (gasp!) gay couple raising a child.
Some 'family values'.
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I think it depends who does the research. Psychological things shouldn't really be researched at all on controversial topics imo, it only serves to undermine credibility of all sort of research.
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Its only controversial if you make it that way. I dont look at it that way. I,m only relaying what is said about the optimum setup that would be best for a child by the experts. They are just stats and they are not having a go at anyone. But its not good to not acknowledge what is the best thing to do either. If you dont acknowledge things then you can address things either.
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In an Australian study, researchers from the University of Melbourne surveyed 315 same-sex parents and 500 children. They found that these children "had higher scores on measures of general behavior, general health, and family cohesion compared to population normative data,”
Study Finds Same Sex Couples Make Better Parents: Is It Because They're More Prepared?
Study Finds Same Sex Couples Make Better Parents: Is It Because They're More Prepared?
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Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents,"
Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Gays, Lesbians & Same-Sex Marriage | Advantages of Gay Parenting & Gay Adoption
Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Gays, Lesbians & Same-Sex Marriage | Advantages of Gay Parenting & Gay Adoption
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"Many studies have demonstrated that children’s well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents’ sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents,”
Gay Parents As Good As Straight Ones | BU Today | Boston University
Gay Parents As Good As Straight Ones | BU Today | Boston University
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