Any REAL conservatives?

[Rebirth In Flames]

God has stated explicitly that they cannot preach

Be careful saying that, there is not scriptural backing for this except that one line that Paul told the ladies in Ephesia. God didn’t say it, Paul did… and it wasn’t explicit if you look at the surrounding scripture and take into account the historical reasoning behind it, as you should always do with any scripture… be like the Bareans and take this into account through studying the bible as a whole and making sure that you keep it in context. That’s a Wesleyan principle, I’m surprised you’re not putting it into practice.

 

[Filia Mariae]

3. Unisex clothing is not considered acceptable... In all possible scenarios, women stay at home.

Hi Joshua

I'm just wondering, do you mean that if at all possible a woman should not work outside the home, or do you mean that they literally need to stay at home all the time?

 

[stofo]

Joshua,

Jesus was not a conservative. Furthermore, there is no Biblical support for using just the KJV or for not watching movies.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Women are equals however God has stated explicitly that they cannot preach, teach or become elders.

We do not go along with institutionalized sexism like this in the UMC. God said zero on the topic. We ordain women, as well we should, and will continue to do so.

We must evangelise however we need proper doctrine not wishy washy liberalism.

Liberalism takes much courage and is anything but "wishy washy". We stand firm for human rights and the advancement of human progress. We have no use for political correctness that would exclude some from the Body of Christ.

 

[Ave Maria]

No, sorry, I don't agree. Here is how I differ from you:

1. The promotion of movies, and broadcast television is not accepted.

Movies and broadcast television is not necessarily promoted but is allowed. However, discretion is encouraged.

2. Rock and Rap music of all forms, Christian or Non-Christian, is not accepted.

Just about all music is accepted but once again, discretion is encouraged.

3. Unisex clothing is not considered acceptable... In all possible scenarios, women stay at home.

Unisex clothing is perfectly fine. I don't understand the part about women staying at home though.

4. Modernism, Neo-evangelicalism, and all methods of lifestyle, doctrine, or outreach that do not fit a pattern of separatism are rejected.

Not sure what this means either.

5. The Authorized King James version of the Bible must be used exclusively for teaching.

Just about all modern Bible versions are accepted.

6. The ‘once-saved-always-saved’ principle is not accepted.

The 'once-saved-always-saved' principle/doctrine is something I am divided on.

I already have debated with folks over a number of these issues, and if you don't agree, I am not out to prove you wrong. However, I am interested to know if any of you are on close speaking terms with me on these issues. Thanks.

Looks like we disagree on just about everything that you listed here but I would be interested in talking to you on an instant messenger sometime to discuss these things. I may disagree but I am a very friendly person.

 

[nicks17]

Joshua Howard,
In your original post you said the following: "In fact, it seems that they are worse, in that they preach sanctification and perfection, claiming to have it, even while they are far from it." It seems you have been mis-informed about the Wesleyan tradition. Wesley believed, as I do, that as Christians we should strive for perfection and could reach it. However, to say that we claim to have perfection just by merely being in the Wesleyan tradition is wrong. I hope this helps clear up a misunderstanding you might have about our beliefs.
God Bless,
Nick

 

[jlujan69]

Glad to find out that there is a Weslian Forum. However, as it is, it seems that most of the folks here are quite liberal. These days, it seems that most holiness and related Chruches are just as liberal as their non-weslian counterparts. In fact, it seems that they are worse, in that they preach sanctification and perfection, claiming to have it, even while they are far from it. The following ideals apply at my Church:

1. The promotion of movies, and broadcast television is not accepted.

2. Rock and Rap music of all forms, Christian or Non-Christian, is not accepted.

3. Unisex clothing is not considered acceptable... In all possible scenarios, women stay at home.

4. Modernism, Neo-evangelicalism, and all methods of lifestyle, doctrine, or outreach that do not fit a pattern of separatism are rejected.

5. The Authorized King James version of the Bible must be used exclusively for teaching.

6. The ‘once-saved-always-saved’ principle is not accepted.

I already have debated with folks over a number of these issues, and if you don't agree, I am not out to prove you wrong. However, I am interested to know if any of you are on close speaking terms with me on these issues. Thanks.

-Joshua

For what it's worth, I agree with you on pt. #1 insofar as churches promoting movie and television viewing (precious little on t.v. is fit for watching IMHO) and entirely on#6. On #2, it just depends on the music and lyrics themselves. On #3, ALL are to dress modestly and in a way honoring to God--so no, I don't agree. Pt.#4, I'm not sure what you mean. Pt. #5, I do share concerns about the newer versions lacking certain key verses found in KJV, but I'm not KJV only.

 

[Jennifer615]

It is hard to see it but I know that this sort of leagalism still exsists. We put so many rules on people they often feel they can not live up to them so they just don't try. It is leagalism like this that makes people not want to go to church. Where is love? Where is forgivness? Where is grace? Is this not what Jesus tought? Was it not Jesus who taught us that Rules and the following of those rules is not what makes it possible for us to get to heaven? Did not Jesus teach, faith and grace? I say that being conservative is one thing but when you venture into leagalism you are treading on thin ice. If a person chooses to use a Bible version that is much easier to read and understand is that a sin? No. It is getting the message that is important. I am not just talking about NIV either there are so many good translations out there: NRSV, CEV, NEV, and the list goes on.


What I think I'm going to boil this down to tonight is that faith is what saves us not works so that no man may boast.
I agree with a statement made by someone else that God for grace.

I think you are right on the money there, Overnight! This kind of legalism repels people from God! I don't believe that God is like that. He loves us and want to see us saved.

I have had some horrible experiences with conservative Christians because I am divorced and remarried. Some people actually said I had to leave my husband and either be single for the rest of my life, or try and reconsole with my ex!!!!!!!!!!! Would you believe that!!!!! What good could possibly come out of breaking up a family and tearing two loving children away from their father!!!!!!!!! I was considering backsliding, as I could never live up to those standards, till I was put right by real Christians.