Any faith healers out there??

[THE OLD BUM]

Children - children - how bout getting off persons and onto the topic - that's why I haven't posted here -

When we have the maturity to debate without all this pre-pubescent juxtaposing I'll jump in, until then it'll just be one insult after another.

You said XXXXXX

nyahh nyahh

No, I said XXXXYY

nanny nanny boo boo

No you're a jerk

takes one to know one

Bethca a bazillion dollars you can't

my big brother can beat up your big brother.

And there are hurting people all around us who could use our help.

I've been in the healing ministry for 21 years and have seen phenominal things - I've leqarned what works and what doesn't and what to do when it doesn't.

I tried posting some of the insight here

What's the point?

No one listens - no one gives a poot - anything that is said that is outside of your doctrinal stance will be chided, degraded and insulted - after three years of attempting to share - it's just not worth the effort.

Still love me piney?

It's just the simple truth from my POV

hugs from pine's alter ego..

 

[msbojingles]

hugs from pine's alter ego..

We knew by the picture.

 

[msbojingles]

This pic is pretty funny, too.

 

[pinetree]

We knew by the picture.

i aged too soon..

 

[Ariel]

I've seen phenomenal things God has done, but I am not a faith healer. God is the healer, to Him be all the glory!

 

[SUNSTONE]

Oh! I get it! You're saying you're better than everyone else? Couldn't people counter that by saying you spend a lot of time in casino's though? A place where people often throw away entire paychecks?

A pastor of mine once told me the majority of the people he counseled had issues with gambling addiction. Gambling addiction is one of the worst addictions because of how it can decimate people financially and emotionally.

You will most likely get defensive if it's brought up.

Who are we too judge right?

I actually don't have a problem with going to casino's if you can control yourself. It's just funny how you come in this thread attacking people for doing something you do and have done, posting a lot on this forum, and act like you're so high and mighty.

When I say "Don't post on the forums all day, don't spend all the money you have and all the money you don't have......live like Jesus....be immitators of Jesus."
I don't get "amen, live like Jesus", I get "yeah but don't you post on the forums".

And then again I explain it further, as if it needed to be explained any further, I still don't get "oh I see what you're saying now, and I agree, amen, live like Jesus"
Instead I get, "oh but you gamble, and you post and you think you're better than us".

How am I suppose to look at your last two posts and not think that you are defending sin, and that you believe that we should not live like Jesus?

 

[SUNSTONE]

bad effort..

nope,those words are right here on this thread about you gambling if you want to..not about anyone free to sin..

ya know sunny one....

so you made a big statement,and you were qrong...

Here is a verse for you...if one stares at money all day at a casino,we must presume it is an idol...

Think about it.all those chips,piled high..

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Playing poker is how I make money, if that is an idol, then everyone who works for money is being idol.

Playing poker is not being idol, you posting on the forums all day, now that is an idol.

No clearly demonstrated that you believe gambling is a sin with both posts.
And then you say

lol..your 'lifestyle is living in a casino gambling.
Now I have no problem wth people who want to do what they want..
But dont you dare throw stones,when you live in a tinsletown house!

What you said is no different than saying "yeah but you sin. Now I don't have a problem with people who sin, but don't you dare tell someone not to sin, when you sin yourself"

This is no different than what you have been saying with all this talks about grace being taken way out of balance.
I've always thought of your posts about grace as a liscense to sin.
"there are no laws" blah blah blah.
That is why I made that thread "I'm going to go out and murder some random people."

 

[pinetree]

I've seen phenomenal things God has done, but I am not a faith healer. God is the healer, to Him be all the glory!

Amen...God is awesome!

 

[fated]

Hello..

What I am trying to learn is this..

Many times in my life,I will get a faith word (rhema) to my heart,and I know,I know,that a certain thing will manifest,and it always does!

It is a scriptural experience of this…

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

I knew I already had it!

But with healing others of sickness,I seem to lack faith,or the gift,or something like that.I was healed once,and one time I prayed over my uncle and he was healed,but there was no experience in it at all,just layed hands on him as a young convert..

I firmly believe that faith is a deposit from God,that I cant produce in my own strength.If it is a gift,that means it is given freely.

Scripture says to persue the gifts..sooooo..

My question is,to those who heal others...

I seem to have first person faith only,if you know what I mean.

Is there a power,or a leading?

Experience??

A feeling??

A tangible faith like I get when I know something is going to come,usually something I need.

I seem to have a magnetic faith,but not a outward energy transferring faith.

Something more than I seem to have..

Thank you!

It is a charisma. If I have it I don't know about it. I've decided to be unconcerned about this manifestation... as part of my "still learning how to bend." God give gifts as he will, you see, the absence of a particular charisma does not indicate your state with God, but being jealous of the "spiritual goods" can be gravely sinful.

In fact, if I have this gift, I might just as well prefer not to know (because of the way I carry out my work), though I know it is not my place to decide, but that the Vatican or your local diocese to be notified, not necessarily me... again, unless that's what you are supposed to do.

I'm a prophet, a very cherished one, and I know that this message is one that you need to pay heed unto.

God is the God of losers, retards, cripples, addicts, those in prison, the ignorant, and so forth. Just being able-bodied, or just being alive, should be considered a considerable gift to you, and you need to be grateful for it, lest the judge hold you until you have paid the last mite.

 

[fated]

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Oh, Israel, I lament the wounds I have inflicted upon you.
I cry out for forgiveness, to you and to Almighty God!
Please if it is possible Oh, Israel, let this horror stop.
Israel, you are hurting me.
Israel, why must these things happen to me, I preferred my wretched existence to this horror.
Oh, Israel, I am afraid, and I cannot find my arm.
Oh, Israel, I am afraid, and I cannot find my son.
Oh, Israel, I am afraid, and I cannot go out to the hospital, I am so cold.
Oh, Israel, I am afraid, my daddy is dead, and bombs are falling down around me.

Why, oh, why Israel, what can we do to assuage your pain? What can we do to sate you appetite? What do you want from us that you do not have, Oh, Israel? Why can't we even flee from your wrath?

Hear us, Oh, Israel, please let your thirst be sated. Take from us all that you will.

Please Lord, let our voices be heard.

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Lord God, Heavenly King, Almighty God and Father, have mercy on us and bring us peace.
I thank you for my life, Oh, Lord.
I thank you for my food.
I thank you for my neighbors food.
I thank you especially for the food of the poor.
I thank you for my body, made in a way that I can be overweight, and, in the same way sustain the poor in leaner time.
I thank you at this time especially for the food of those who are under siege or forced into hiding and in exile.
I thank you, God, for medical care.
I thank you for water.
I thank you for my children.
I thank you for my neighbors children.
I thank you for my parents, and my neighbors parents.
I thank you for the crippled and the lost.
I thank you though you lead me to loss, Oh, Lord.
I thank you for all the gifts that you have given man, and I thank you for giving them the capacity to love your and the capacity to squander them.
I thank you for peace were it exists, and I thank you especially for Heaven.
I thank you for the gifts you give to me.
And I thank you Lord, though there is no way that I can repay you.

I ask you, Oh, Lord, to send you Son to the Earth and heal the great wounds of humanity. Lord, please let brothers understand the damage they have done to one another, and seek reconciliation and peace.

Lord, God, I love you, and I ask you to pour your grace up the world.
Please Mary, all the Angels and Saints, and Lord Jesus Christ, hear my voice, and send us the Mercy of the Almighty.

 

[BlackJack77]

Dear Pinetree, We know it is not us, but Christ in us who is the healer. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. It is the power of the Holy Spirit that is activated by faith that brings about a healing. Whose faith? The faith of those believing, whether they are on the giving or the receiving end or both. What is it that we have faith in? The Lord and His unchanging Word. There is a gift of faith, that is true. But faith in itself, each man is given a measure of, but faith is strengthened by renewing our minds with the knowledge of His Word. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If we believe His Word is true, then we have enough faith to believe it will accomplish that which He said it will, so if we don't think we have enough faith, then it is probably not faith we are lacking but in reality it is belief we are lacking. Jesus asked a man, the father of a boy, "do you believe I can do this thing?" The man replied, "I believe Lord, help my unbelief." He didn't ask for faith, but for the Lord to help him with his unbelief. Of course the Scripture doesn't totally spell it out for us, so I will share with you what I think happened there. I think the man believed that Jesus was the Lord and that He could indeed deliver the boy, but maybe he had doubts that the Lord would do it for him, for whatever reason. (probably the enemy whispering in his ears telling him they were unworthy) The man wanted to believe, but he struggled. I think many people in the body of Christ suffer from the same dilemma. They believe that Jesus will heal, Tom, Sue, Harry and John, but are not sure the Lord will heal them. Doubt and unbelief are in opposition to faith. The enemy only has to inject a measure of doubt to thwart the operation of faith in a believer, that is why it is important to meditate on the Word of God so that when the enemy injects his lies we can respond the same way Jesus did on the mountain when He was tempted and that is to respond with "not so devil, it is written." I hope I was able to help somewhat and at least give a few thoughts to ponder. Sincerely in Christ, Jack

Hello..

What I am trying to learn is this..

Many times in my life,I will get a faith word (rhema) to my heart,and I know,I know,that a certain thing will manifest,and it always does!

It is a scriptural experience of this…

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

I knew I already had it!

But with healing others of sickness,I seem to lack faith,or the gift,or something like that.I was healed once,and one time I prayed over my uncle and he was healed,but there was no experience in it at all,just layed hands on him as a young convert..

I firmly believe that faith is a deposit from God,that I cant produce in my own strength.If it is a gift,that means it is given freely.

Scripture says to persue the gifts..sooooo..

My question is,to those who heal others...

I seem to have first person faith only,if you know what I mean.

Is there a power,or a leading?

Experience??

A feeling??

A tangible faith like I get when I know something is going to come,usually something I need.

I seem to have a magnetic faith,but not a outward energy transferring faith.

Something more than I seem to have..

Thank you!

 

[pinetree]

It is a charisma. If I have it I don't know about it. I've decided to be unconcerned about this manifestation... as part of my "still learning how to bend." God give gifts as he will, you see, the absence of a particular charisma does not indicate your state with God, but being jealous of the "spiritual goods" can be gravely sinful.

In fact, if I have this gift, I might just as well prefer not to know (because of the way I carry out my work), though I know it is not my place to decide, but that the Vatican or your local diocese to be notified, not necessarily me... again, unless that's what you are supposed to do.

I'm a prophet, a very cherished one, and I know that this message is one that you need to pay heed unto.

God is the God of losers, retards, cripples, addicts, those in prison, the ignorant, and so forth. Just being able-bodied, or just being alive, should be considered a considerable gift to you, and you need to be grateful for it, lest the judge hold you until you have paid the last mite.

well...

I am not jealous in the carnal sense,unless you mean that poetically?

I have seen great faith in my life,power that was in my heart,deposited by grace...

But scripture does tell us to pursue the gifts.

It is not for my gain,but to help sick people who are suffering.

Thanks..

 

[pinetree]

Dear Pinetree, We know it is not us, but Christ in us who is the healer. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. It is the power of the Holy Spirit that is activated by faith that brings about a healing. Whose faith? The faith of those believing, whether they are on the giving or the receiving end or both. What is it that we have faith in? The Lord and His unchanging Word. There is a gift of faith, that is true. But faith in itself, each man is given a measure of, but faith is strengthened by renewing our minds with the knowledge of His Word. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If we believe His Word is true, then we have enough faith to believe it will accomplish that which He said it will, so if we don't think we have enough faith, then it is probably not faith we are lacking but in reality it is belief we are lacking. Jesus asked a man, the father of a boy, "do you believe I can do this thing?" The man replied, "I believe Lord, help my unbelief." He didn't ask for faith, but for the Lord to help him with his unbelief. Of course the Scripture doesn't totally spell it out for us, so I will share with you what I think happened there. I think the man believed that Jesus was the Lord and that He could indeed deliver the boy, but maybe he had doubts that the Lord would do it for him, for whatever reason. (probably the enemy whispering in his ears telling him they were unworthy) The man wanted to believe, but he struggled. I think many people in the body of Christ suffer from the same dilemma. They believe that Jesus will heal, Tom, Sue, Harry and John, but are not sure the Lord will heal them. Doubt and unbelief are in opposition to faith. The enemy only has to inject a measure of doubt to thwart the operation of faith in a believer, that is why it is important to meditate on the Word of God so that when the enemy injects his lies we can respond the same way Jesus did on the mountain when He was tempted and that is to respond with "not so devil, it is written." I hope I was able to help somewhat and at least give a few thoughts to ponder. Sincerely in Christ, Jack

Thanks for your words bro..

last time we chatted,it was on the demon thread..

I understand what you mean.

But,really for me,in all weakness comes the power.

If you think about it,all I can do is ask,which i have done.

Could be tonight,God manifests himself,and imparts,and i will receive..

At other faith times,that is all that happened...i dunno...

I guess I am a bank,waiting for a deposit.

 

[BlackJack77]

Dear Pinetree, Oh yeah! I only stop by every few weeks. I hope I didn't leave you hanging on anything. Did I? As far as this post goes, you're welcome bro. I'm not an expert on anything. I don't have the Holy Spirit wrapped neatly in a box and I definitely don't claim to know all there is to know so, anything I say, I just want you to know that I do say with a humble heart. Jesus said that we are to become as little children. When He said that, I know He didn't mean to act like little children as we sometimes do lol, but to believe like little children do. Little children have no idea what all it takes to make dinner arrive on the table each night, but they do have faith and believe that each night it will be there and have no reason to doubt. Even if Mom and Dad are having financial problems that the child doesn't know about they just know that their parents are faithful to provide it, just as they know daylight will come in the morning and the stars will come out at night. That is child like faith. You said you asked. Now I ask you, what does the Word say about asking of the Lord? It says ask, believing you have whatsoever it is that you are asking for, nothing wavering, no doubt in our hearts that we shall have it. It also says that if we ask and do waver or ask with doubt, then we ought not think we'll receive anything from God. So, there's a double-edged sword. If you think there is a reason why God shouldn't give it to you, then you will ask in doubt and not faith. It was compassion that moved Jesus. When that compassion comes upon you brother, preach the Word in season and out of season. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If you minister the healing word and the recipient believes, then they have the measure of faith to receive. Those who aren't even entering the Kingdom will do mighty works in His name. Why? Because even though they may be charlatans they are preaching the healing Word, and they are preaching Christ, ministering in His name. There is power in the name of Jesus. It is the name above all names. The name above cancer, diabetes, epilepsy, muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, heart disease, arthritis, crones disease, etc etc etc. The recipient who puts his or her faith in Christ shall not be ashamed. If a charlatan can do many wonderful works in His name, how much more so would the Lord want you to? You've asked, now believe. Now, if you are ready to step out and act in faith, then ask the Lord to open the door and lead you into an opportunity. I believe He will! Sincerely in Christ, Jack

Thanks for your words bro..

last time we chatted,it was on the demon thread..

I understand what you mean.

But,really for me,in all weakness comes the power.

If you think about it,all I can do is ask,which i have done.

Could be tonight,God manifests himself,and imparts,and i will receive..

At other faith times,that is all that happened...i dunno...

I guess I am a bank,waiting for a deposit.

 

[Cassidy]

I've always thought of your posts about grace as a liscense to sin.

Because you don't understand it.

Oh and about gambling...the scripture about 'appearance of evil' comes to mind here. There is stuff going on in casino's that is evil...sexual stuff...addictions...drunkeness...there are people you gamble with that have gambling addictions and you are taking their money (if you win) away from their family..children and lives...you are supporting their habit...yet you can sit in judgement of their addiction while you take advantage of their addiction. Living a lifestyle of gambling appears evil...therefore it's a sin.

 

[Leimeng]

Because you don't understand it.

Oh and about gambling...the scripture about 'appearance of evil' comes to mind here. There is stuff going on in casino's that is evil...sexual stuff...addictions...drunkeness...there are people you gamble with that have gambling addictions and you are taking their money (if you win) away from their family..children and lives...you are supporting their habit...yet you can sit in judgement of their addiction while you take advantage of their addiction. Living a lifestyle of gambling appears evil...therefore it's a sin.

~ Of course, people stuff their faces at all you can eat buffets practicing gluttony, or fail to exercise their body's thereby not taking care of their Temple.
~ Then some people spend their time in in worship worrying about how others are dressed or acting thus pretending to worship God.
~ Other people invest in the stock market or 401Ks and gamble with their money in the same way as buying a lottery ticket. After all, both involve investing money in something that is NOT guaranteed based on factors beyond your control.
~ Eating too much, not exercising, investing in the stock market all appear to be evil, thus it would be sin by your reasoning.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

 

[Cassidy]

~ Of course, people stuff their faces at all you can eat buffets practicing gluttony, or fail to exercise their body's thereby not taking care of their Temple.
~ Then some people spend their time in in worship worrying about how others are dressed or acting thus pretending to worship God.
~ Other people invest in the stock market or 401Ks and gamble with their money in the same way as buying a lottery ticket. After all, both involve investing money in something that is NOT guaranteed based on factors beyond your control.
~ Eating too much, not exercising, investing in the stock market all appear to be evil, thus it would be sin by your reasoning.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Ok - You missed the point...but anyway

 

[SUNSTONE]

~ Of course, people stuff their faces at all you can eat buffets practicing gluttony, or fail to exercise their body's thereby not taking care of their Temple.
~ Then some people spend their time in in worship worrying about how others are dressed or acting thus pretending to worship God.
~ Other people invest in the stock market or 401Ks and gamble with their money in the same way as buying a lottery ticket. After all, both involve investing money in something that is NOT guaranteed based on factors beyond your control.
~ Eating too much, not exercising, investing in the stock market all appear to be evil, thus it would be sin by your reasoning.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

Good stuff.

If you really think about it, there are a lot of jobs that could be considered evil by cassidy's line of reasoning.

- Can't be a server, might contribute to someone's gluttony, or alcohalism, or drunk driving.
- Can't be an actor, or work for TV, or direct movies, or have anything to do with movies or TV, you'll definitely contribute to someone's idolness.
- Can't be a life guard, with all those half naked people on the beach.
- Can't work at any fast food places.
- Can't be a professional sports player, you know how people cheer louder for them than they do for God.
- Can't be a cheerleader, you would cause someone to stumble with lust.
- Can't make cars with all those drunk drivers, and speeders.
- Can't make boats or planes with all those drug runners.
- Can't be a doctor or pharmicist with the abuse of perscription drugs.
- Can't sell or make computers or TV sets with all the inappropriate content abuse.
- Can't work for the credit card company, you know how people abuse that.
- Can't be a public school teacher, how can you do that job if you can't even teach about Jesus, or pray, or read the bible to your students.
- Can't work at a grocery or convienence store, alcohal, gluttony.
- Can't be a cab or bus driver, because then you'll be taking people to places that support evil actions.
- You can't give to the poor, they might use that money to buy drugs.
- You can't live in america, or most any other place in the world, it's full of evil.
- You can't live like Jesus, what if you offend someone and they kill you for it. If you didn't live like Jesus, then they would have never been tempted to murder you.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

Any of those seven deadly sins are a clue you should beware. But to don one of them as a pro? I am surprised that you seem so normal. I would think that all manner of defeats and issues would follow someone spending so much of themselves in the devils lair. Would make a hollywood tv series for sure. The Christian Gambler. but who would believe it?

 

[SUNSTONE]

Any of those seven deadly sins are a clue you should beware. But to don one of them as a pro? I am surprised that you seem so normal. I would think that all manner of defeats and issues would follow someone spending so much of themselves in the devils lair. Would make a hollywood tv series for sure. The Christian Gambler. but who would believe it?

Gambling isn't one of the seven deadly sins, it's not even listed in the bible as a sin.
But like many things that aren't in the bible, it can become sin.

This poker room isn't what you think it is.
You can't smoke inside, people do drink but they charge for all the drinks and they are expensive, so you usually their aren't any drunk people at the table.
I've witnesses at the tables before, and talked to several christians who play poker, some of them are pros like me.

Doyle Brunson is one of the most famous poker pros in history, and if you told him that what he was doing was gambling, he would disagree with you.
The game is deeper than just chance, especially when you're good with numbers, and good at reading people.
In the 2 years I have been a pro, I've only had about 4 losing weeks.
All the other weeks I have won.

It's a job for me, and if I didn't make so much doing it I would work a normal job.
I like working normal jobs more than I do playing poker.