Any faith healers out there??

[sk8Joyful]

Thanks for your input.
Interesting stuff!

You're welcome!

I notice you haven't responded to my posts (#7 & 8) especially, with more helpful info for you.

Since you said you want to gain skills, what feedback have you?

Live Blessed

 

[SUNSTONE]

I'm confused. Don't you post here too?

Did I say "posting on forums" or did I say "posting on forums all day"?
The majority of my posts came in the first year, and a lot of those were spent on witnessing to the unsaved. I don't come here every day, I don't even come here every month. And I'm picky about the subjects I do spend my time on. My focus is to get people to live like Jesus, to get them to see past their selfishness and see that their is a hurting world out their that needs our help.

And what about the rest of my post?
Do you agree with that?
Or do you disagree but you can't come up with an arguement against it, so you look to try and find something that you can argue against to try and discredit what I'm saying in order to justify your lifestyle?

 

[SUNSTONE]

I read your question to my grandmother (who is a faith healer)


Here is her response...

Truly Healing is a gift form God. Not everyone is healed that you pray for. God is still sovereign over who is healed and who is not.

In my experience, if I feel the presence of God when I lay my right hand on someone's head and hold my left hand palm upward to God then I can feel the healing coming through my left hand, through my body and the person I am praying for can feel the healing come into them.

We do have a prayer list at our church where many people call in for prayer. We have been very blessed to have many of those people healed even of very serious illness.

Many times I have been called to the hospital to pray for someone on their death bed. I will anoint them with olive oil as the Scripture in James says and generally within a few hours they will be in recovery.

The advice I have to give you is any time you feel the need to pray for anyone for any disease do not hesitiate. It is not up to you whether they are healed or not. You have done what God expects you to do. The rest is up to Him.

I find in serious situations, I will fast for three days and without fail, God answers the prayer.

God bless you and I will pray that God will give you more courage to step out when you feel the urge.

God Bless,

Louise

This is not what Jesus taught.
When the disciples had trouble with healings, He didn't say "well God must not want them healed."

 

[pinetree]

Did I say "posting on forums" or did I say "posting on forums all day"?
The majority of my posts came in the first year, and a lot of those were spent on witnessing to the unsaved. I don't come here every day, I don't even come here every month. And I'm picky about the subjects I do spend my time on. My focus is to get people to live like Jesus, to get them to see past their selfishness and see that their is a hurting world out their that needs our help.

And what about the rest of my post?
Do you agree with that?
Or do you disagree but you can't come up with an arguement against it, so you look to try and find something that you can argue against to try and discredit what I'm saying in order to justify your lifestyle?

lol..your 'lifestyle is living in a casino gambling.

Now I have no problem with people who do what they they want to do for a living..

None of my biz...it is between you and God if it is sin or not.But people can have a viewpoint of it for sure.

But dont you dare throw stones,when you live in a tinsletown house!

 

[sk8Joyful]

I read your question to my grandmother (who is a faith healer)
Here is her response...

Truly Healing is a gift form God. Not everyone is healed, that you pray for.
God is still sovereign over who is healed, and who is not.

It is not up to you whether they are healed, or not.
You have done what God expects you to do. The rest is up to Him.

This is not what Jesus taught.

JESUS taught that everyone can be healed, who wants to be healed.

In my experience, if I feel the presence of God,

when I lay my right hand on someone's head
and hold my left hand palm upward to God
then I can feel the healing coming through my left hand, through my body
and
the person I am praying for can feel the healing come into them.

Forgive my underlining, & bolding. I did so, to Illustrate what is going on here.

What you are describing is "running energy", including REIKI, etc - aka "New-age" techniques.

I happened to know that, because someone at a church
invited me to 3 such courses, and exactly what you described, is what they did. - The problem with that, is that you have NO-way of knowing, was that GOD?, or was that an evil-spirit?, that is now fooling this person.

We must never, try to get body signs of healing,
at the expense of a persons' soul & mind.

Might I suggest you find SAFE-ways of helping the afflicted, diseased, suffering & tormented, become healed.

I find in serious situations, I will fast for three days and without fail, God answers the prayer.

That's nice; but atheists (refuse to pray nor do they fast, much less for 3 days); yet
their Clients heal just fine, and yes of "chronic, terminal conditions". -
So obviously neither prayer nor fasting is a pre-requisite, for healing.

I, as a praying Christian, don't need to fast either; yet
again, and yes of "chronic, terminal conditions" - Clients healed, as they wanted.
.

 

[pinetree]

This is not what Jesus taught.

JESUS taught that everyone can be healed, who wants to be healed.



Forgive my underlining, & bolding. I did so, to Illustrate what is going on here.

What you are describing is "running energy", including REIKI, etc - aka "New-age" techniques.

I happened to know that, because someone at a church
invited me to 3 such courses, and exactly what you described, is what they did. - The problem with that, is that you have NO-way of knowing, was that GOD?, or was that an evil-spirit?, that is now fooling this person.

We must never, try to get body signs of healing,
at the expense of a persons' soul & mind.

Might I suggest you find SAFE-ways of helping the afflicted, diseased, suffering & tormented, become healed.



That's nice; but atheists (refuse to pray nor do they fast, much less for 3 days); yet
their Clients heal just fine, and yes of "chronic, terminal conditions". -
So obviously neither prayer nor fasting is a pre-requisite, for healing.

I, as a praying Christian, don't need to fast either; yet
again, and yes of "chronic, terminal conditions" - Clients healed, as they wanted.
.

Hi..
As far as running energy,I thought of these verses.

1. Mark 5:30
   And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
   Mark 5:29-31 (in Context) Mark 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. Luke 6:19
   And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.
   Luke 6:18-20 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter)
3. Luke 8:46
   And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

Louise felt the power go out of her,as did Jesus.

Ya know,one more thing...not all are healed for some reason,but it is true,like what Louise said..

Again,thanks for your input.

 

[SUNSTONE]

lol..your 'lifestyle is living in a casino gambling.

Now I have no problem wth people who want to do what they want..

But dont you dare throw stones,when you live in a tinsletown house!

To you and others gambling is a sin, to me and others it is not.
It does not say so in the bible, and I'm not breaking any laws, and it's not hurting me at all, physically or mentally.

You don't have a problem with people sinning so long as they don't say something to someone else who sins.
But when I said I was going to kill random people, you had a problem with that.
Parents who sin shouldn't tell their kids not to sin, according to your beliefs.

 

[pinetree]

To you and others gambling is a sin, to me and others it is not.
It does not say so in the bible, and I'm not breaking any laws, and it's not hurting me at all, physically or mentally.

You don't have a problem with people sinning so long as they don't say something to someone else who sins.
But when I said I was going to kill random people, you had a problem with that.
Parents who sin shouldn't tell their kids not to sin, according to your beliefs.

show me where I said that..(your words in red)

That I have no problem with people sinning..line one of red words..

Or line 3,yes I have a problem with killing..

Hey,speaking of betting..how much you want to bet I did not say that..

 

[sk8Joyful]

Hi..
As far as running energy,

I thought of these verses.

1. Mark 5:30
   And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
   Mark 5:29-31 (in Context) Mark 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. Luke 6:19
   And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.
   Luke 6:18-20 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter)
3. Luke 8:46
   And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

Louise felt the power go out of her, as did Jesus.

so, new-age techniques are OK ?? with you;
then what about: Channeling?? - that runs energy too.


GOD/Jesus also healed, many more times when no power left him.
Additionally, most Healers do not feel any 'power' leaving them; even as our clients heal.


Also, why in this sense, do you 'equate' Louise? with GOD/Jesus.
And what about: Oprah Winfrey?? - she runs energy too.

Ya know,
one more thing...not all are healed for some reason,

I repeat, again: When someone does not heal, it's 9/10's because they do not want to heal .
and
GOD will not on anyone - force soul, nor mind, nor body healing. He leaves these choices, up to us.

I repeat, once again: "JESUS taught that everyone can be healed, who wants to be healed."

but it is true, like what Louise said..

Again, thanks for your input.

Louise openly admitted, that she can't help everyone heal, therefore means
2 things:
* The person did not want to heal.
* Louise has, not yet learned how...

For in the (KJV) Bible, Notice:
Jesus healed every single one (iow, a 100% success rate), that came to him for healing:
Matt 12:15
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him,
and he healed them all;
Matt 15:30
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb,
maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them
Matt 8:16
16 When the even was come, he healed all that were sick.

Also, you started this thread, stating you wanted to learn... - so as a student, how could you know?, except in your opinion --- whether or not, Louise is "right", when you have, not yet successfully done this work for decades, like we have.

 

[pinetree]

so, new-age techniques are OK ?? with you;
then what about: Channeling?? - that runs energy too.


GOD/Jesus also healed, many more times when no power left him.
Additionally, most Healers do not feel any 'power' leaving them; even as our clients heal.


Also, why in this sense, do you 'equate' Louise? with GOD/Jesus.
And what about: Oprah Winfrey?? - she runs energy too.



I repeat, again: When someone does not heal, it's 9/10's because they do not want to heal .
and
GOD will not on anyone - force soul, nor mind, nor body healing. He leaves these choices, up to us.

I repeat, once again: "JESUS taught that everyone can be healed, who wants to be healed."




Louise openly admitted, that she can't help everyone heal, therefore means
2 things:
* The person did not want to heal.
* Louise has, not yet learned how...

For in the (KJV) Bible, Notice:
Jesus healed every single one (iow, a 100% success rate), that came to him for healing:
Matt 12:15
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him,
and he healed them all;
Matt 15:30
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb,
maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them
Matt 8:16
16 When the even was come, he healed all that were sick.

Also, you started this thread, stating you wanted to learn... - so as a student, how could you know?, except in your opinion --- whether or not, Louise is "right", when you have, not yet successfully done this work for decades, like we have.

The scriptures are clear..

Jesus had his virtue run out of him..

Dont get mad at me,it's scriptural..

You are mentioning new age stuff,not me..

Now,scripture is also clear,that not all are healed,

Even the apostle paul was not,nor 2 of his friends..

Louise made a scriptural comment,like Paul did.

Galatians 4:13
but you know that it was because of a bodily illness (astheneia)that I preached the gospel to you the first time;

DEFINITION OF ILLNESS in the greek.

Result of search for "769":
769. astheneia as-then'-i-ah from 772; feebleness (of mind or body); by implication, malady; morally, frailty:--disease, infirmity, sickness, weakness.

These verse are the same meaning of illness,just to show more about the word Paul used to describe himself.

John 5:5
Now a man was there who had been disabled(astheneia) for thirty-eight years.

I think it is fair to say..Lazarus had a disease,that shows that the greek word,and it's definition stands,it is the same word Paul used..

John 11:4
When Jesus heard this, he said, “This sickness (astheneia)will not lead to death, but to God’s glory, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.(astheneia)


Paul left a brother sick,why did he not heal him?

2Timothy4:20
Erastus stayed in Corinth, and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus

I may need to learn about healing,but you need to learn the scriptures that have been around longer than your healings..

 

[pinetree]

Mark 5:30
At once Jesus realised that power(dunamis) had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, "Who touched my clothes?"

here is what power means in the greek.


dunamis 1411

Definition:1) strength power, ability
1a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its
nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
1b) power for performing miracles
1c) moral power and excellence of soul
1d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
1e) power and resources arising from numbers
1f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

from 1410; force (literally or figuratively); specially, miraculous
power (usually by implication, a miracle itself):-ability, abundance,
meaning, might(-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle(-s), power,
strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work.

Here is another verse to help put perspective on the meaning of the word..



Phi 3:10
My aim is to know him, to experience the power (dunamis)of his resurrection, to share in his sufferings, and to be like him in his death,

So,no,it is not new age,it was the power of God,that flowed through Louise!

 

[sk8Joyful]

Annie: GOD created us each, including to heal

The ones who heal, know it; the ones who don’t, have yet to realize it.

 

[SUNSTONE]

show me where I said that..(your words in red)

That I have no problem with people sinning..line one of red words..

Or line 3,yes I have a problem with killing..

Hey,speaking of betting..how much you want to bet I did not say that..

I'll bet a million dollars.

You said that you have no problem with people doing whatever they want, except throwing stones in glass houses.

That covers everything except throwing stones in glass houses, including gambleing and murder and sin.

Going by your logic, if you tell someone who doesn't want to murder, that he can not murder, then that person who didn't want to murder now will want to murder because you told them they couldn't.

 

[Alpine]

Did I say "posting on forums" or did I say "posting on forums all day"?
The majority of my posts came in the first year, and a lot of those were spent on witnessing to the unsaved. I don't come here every day, I don't even come here every month. And I'm picky about the subjects I do spend my time on. My focus is to get people to live like Jesus, to get them to see past their selfishness and see that their is a hurting world out their that needs our help.

And what about the rest of my post?
Do you agree with that?
Or do you disagree but you can't come up with an argument against it, so you look to try and find something that you can argue against to try and discredit what I'm saying in order to justify your lifestyle?

Oh! I get it! You're saying you're better than everyone else? Couldn't people counter that by saying you spend a lot of time in casino's though? A place where people often throw away entire paychecks?

A pastor of mine once told me the majority of the people he counseled had issues with gambling addiction. Gambling addiction is one of the worst addictions because of how it can decimate people financially and emotionally.

You will most likely get defensive if it's brought up.

Who are we too judge right?

I actually don't have a problem with going to casino's if you can control yourself. It's just funny how you come in this thread attacking people for doing something you do and have done, posting a lot on this forum, and act like you're so high and mighty.

 

[pinetree]

I'll bet a million dollars.

You said that you have no problem with people doing whatever they want, except throwing stones in glass houses.

That covers everything except throwing stones in glass houses, including gambleing and murder and sin.

Going by your logic, if you tell someone who doesn't want to murder, that he can not murder, then that person who didn't want to murder now will want to murder because you told them they couldn't.

bad effort..

nope,those words are right here on this thread about you gambling if you want to..not about anyone free to sin..

ya know sunny one....

so you made a big statement,and you were qrong...

Here is a verse for you...if one stares at money all day at a casino,we must presume it is an idol...

Think about it.all those chips,piled high..

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

 

[hislegacy]

Children - children - how bout getting off persons and onto the topic - that's why I haven't posted here -

When we have the maturity to debate without all this pre-pubescent juxtaposing I'll jump in, until then it'll just be one insult after another.

You said XXXXXX

nyahh nyahh

No, I said XXXXYY

nanny nanny boo boo

No you're a jerk

takes one to know one

Bethca a bazillion dollars you can't

my big brother can beat up your big brother.

And there are hurting people all around us who could use our help.

I've been in the healing ministry for 21 years and have seen phenominal things - I've leqarned what works and what doesn't and what to do when it doesn't.

I tried posting some of the insight here

What's the point?

No one listens - no one gives a poot - anything that is said that is outside of your doctrinal stance will be chided, degraded and insulted - after three years of attempting to share - it's just not worth the effort.

Still love me piney?

It's just the simple truth from my POV

 

[JimfromOhio]

Children - children - how bout getting off persons and onto the topic - that's why I haven't posted here -

When we have the maturity to debate without all this pre-pubescent juxtaposing I'll jump in, until then it'll just be one insult after another.

And there are hurting people all around us who could use our help.

"Our help" is the key issue between believers who disagree on certain issues. I know you and I disagree. Especially on the topic of "healing".

We live in a world which places great emphasis on beauty, wealth and power. People with problems are often a symbol of the opposite – they struggle with physical or mental imperfection, powerlessness and often poverty. The Bible also teaches us to bear the burdens of someone with a problems fulfils a command of scripture (Galatians 6:2). 2 Samuel 9:3-4 tells the story of David’s kindness to Mephibosheth, the lame son of Jonathan, modeling the way the church should minister. The burden of loving help which we are admonished to give to others: "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2) which never harmed a soul. Another area of burden is the moral responsibility which no one can shift to another: "For each one should carry his own load" (Galatians 6:5) which is a source of comfort if our hearts are right. The only way the spiritual gifts are going to operate is love. Love is the key. God is love. He gave us two commandments. We are to love God and others. With the Holy Spirit and love, I will walk in the Spirit, Christ produces the fruit. It is Christ through the Holy Spirit produces power, love, a sound mind through us. Christ helps us. Without Christ, we are nothing.

I believe as Christians that the church must remove physical, emotional and spiritual barriers in order to bring in people who are suffering with disabilities. I believe that when those who are suffering are utilized in outreach of the Kingdom, the fullness of the Bride of Christ (Church) only then reflects the glory of the Bridegroom (God). I believe that the church are commanded by God through Scriptures to train and equip people with disabilities in order to help them exercise their Godgiven gifts in building the Body of Christ. God is NOT limited to goodness.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I've been in the healing ministry for 21 years and have seen phenominal things - I've leqarned what works and what doesn't and what to do when it doesn't.

I tried posting some of the insight here

What's the point?

No one listens - no one gives a poot - anything that is said that is outside of your doctrinal stance will be chided, degraded and insulted - after three years of attempting to share - it's just not worth the effort.

Still love me piney?

It's just the simple truth from my POV

I believe in divine healing but not the way you believe. I am NEVER comfortable telling people about such healing doctrine that you believe in. I don't want to be responsible for decieving another person when I share the good news (Eternal Life). A good witness isn't like a salesperson selling healing simply because saleslperson focuses on the products (healing) rather than the true source which is spiritual salvation.

The focus should be on Christ, not healing.

God still divinely heals today and healings have occurred everyday and ever minute around the world. True basic theology is that God does not guarantee physical healing for all believers, at least not in this life, all believers will eventually be healed of all physical aliments as well as spiritual aliments.

 

[hislegacy]

The focus should be on Christ, not healing.

FYI my focus has always and always will be on Christ,

 

[pinetree]

yup.I believe in healings too..

Just thought I would ask some folks a few things..

Thank God for Louise!

Yes balance..I still luv ya!