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woman.at.the.well said:
He died on the cross and was gone for three days? Does anyone know where He went? or what happened during those days before He rose on the 3rd day?

He descended into hell where he suffered the wrath of God for all of our sins.

That is part of the price He paid for our salvation! ^_^

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woman.at.the.well said:
So if you come back and would like to please give biblical reference for what you stated. Thank you kindly! And thank you for your thoughts!

No problem! ;)


For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
{Matthew 12:40}


But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down [from above]:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
{Romans 10:6-7}


Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
{Ephesians 4:8-10}


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No problem! ;)


For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
{Matthew 12:40}


But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down [from above]:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
{Romans 10:6-7}


Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
{Ephesians 4:8-10}


Erin

Very, very much Erin!
 
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Actually, while the "full version" of the Apostles Creed, traditional style, says "He descended into Hell," the modern rendition is "He descended to the dead."

Jewish afterlife theology held that the spirits of the dead all went to Sheol, AKA the Pit, which was divided, according to the Rabbis, into "Abraham's Bosom" (another name I don't recall was more common) and "Torments" according to whether one was righteous in this life or not. This is the basis for the scenario in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus the Beggar.

Christians hold, generally, that after His death Jesus descended to the dead in Sheol, freeing the righteous from its bonds and releasing them to join God in Heaven. The apposite Scriptures are cited above, along with Messianic expectations from Job and Psalms that the Messiah would not "suffer the righteous to go down into the Pit."
 
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According to my understanding, Jesus did not go into "Geenna" or "Gehena" (Hell- the lake of fire) during the three days between His death and resurection. In the original Greek, it says He was in "Hadas" (Hades) which literally means "the region of the dead". The two terms are certainly different because after the final judgment, Hades will be cast into Hell (Revelation 20:14).

As I understand it, Jesus body lay in the tomb, the "region of the dead" for three days while His spirit was with the Father.

2 Cor 5:6-8
"So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord."
 
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1 Peter 3:19, He preached to the souls in prison -- meaning, the righteous in Abraham's bosom, although some take it to mean the unrightreous, so they could also believe.

John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene he had not yet ascended to his Father in heaven, but he implied he was on his way.
 
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Jesus went to Sheol. Sheol is a two part room. One side paradise, one side hades. Ephesians 4:9(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) Jesus went to paradise when he died, where he spent time before ressurection. Jesus clearly states this. Luke 23: 40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." 42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[f]" 43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." Jesus went to paradise, one half of sheol. I believe he spoke to those there about the glory of our salvation. I was going to start a thread on this. Got to go.

God Bless.
 
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It is too early to find a better icon, but you can see Christ descending and raising up our fallen forefather along with the Saints that awaited Him. He stands upon the gates of hell, having conquered them. Often satan is depicted as a old man, decrepid and chained. Below is a short synopsis of what the Church believes.

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Great and Holy Saturday is the day on which Christ reposed in the tomb. The Church calls this day the Blessed Sabbath.

"The great Moses mystically foreshadowed this day when he said: God blessed the second day. This is the blessed Sabbath This is the day of rest, on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all His works…."

(Vesperal Liturgy of Holy Saturday)

By using this title the Church links Holy Saturday with the creative act of God. In the initial account of creation as found in the Book of Genesis, God made man in His own image and likeness. To be truly himself, man was to live in constant communion with the source and dynamic power of that image: God. Man fell from God. Now Christ, the Son of God through whom all things were created, has come to restore man to communion with God. He thereby completes creation. All things are again as they should be. His mission is consummated. On the Blessed Sabbath He rests from all His works.

THE TRANSITION

Holy Saturday is a neglected day in parish life. Few people attend the Services. Popular piety usually reduces Holy Week to one day - Holy Friday. This day is quickly replaced by another - Easter Sunday. Christ is dead and then suddenly alive. Great sorrow is suddenly replaced by great joy. In such a scheme Holy Saturday is lost.

In the understanding of the Church, sorrow is not replaced by joy; it is transformed into joy. This distinction indicates that it is precisely within death that Christ continues to effect triumph.

TRAMPLING DOWN DEATH BY DEATH

We sing that Christ is "...trampling down death by death" in the troparion of Easter. This phrase gives great meaning to Holy Saturday. Christ's repose in the tomb is an "active" repose. He comes in search of His fallen friend, Adam, who represents all men. Not finding him on earth, he descends to the realm of death, known as Hades in the Old Testament. There He finds him and brings him life once again. This is the victory: the dead are given life. The tomb is no longer a forsaken, lifeless place. By His death Christ tramples down death by death.

THE ICON OF THE DESCENT INTO HADES

The traditional icon used by the Church on the feast of Easter is an icon of Holy Saturday: the descent of Christ into Hades. It is a painting of theology, for no one has ever seen this event. It depicts Christ, radiant in hues of white and blue, standing on the shattered gates of Hades. With arms outstretched He is joining hands with Adam and all the other Old Testament righteous whom He has found there. He leads them from the kingdom of death. By His death He tramples death.

"Today Hades cries out groaning:

I should not have accepted the Man born of Mary.

He came and destroyed my power.

He shattered the gates of brass.

As God, He raised the souls I had held captive.

Glory to Thy cross and resurrection, O Lord!"

(Vesperal Liturgy of Holy Saturday)

THE VESPERAL LITURGY

The Vespers of Holy Saturday inaugurates the Paschal celebration, for the liturgical cycle of the day always begins in the evening. In the past, this service constituted the first part of the great Paschal vigil during which the catechumens were baptized in the "baptisterion" and led in procession back into the church for participation in their first Divine Liturgy, the Paschal Eucharist. Later, with the number of catechumens increasing, the first baptismal part of the Paschal celebration was disconnected from the liturgy of the Paschal night and formed our pre-paschal service: Vespers and the Liturgy of St. Basil the Great which follows it. It still keeps the marks of the early celebration of Pascha as baptismal feast and that of Baptism as Paschal sacrament (death and resurrection with Jesus Christ - Romans 6).

On "Lord I Call" the Saturday Resurrectional stichiras of Tone 1 are sung, followed by the the special stichiras of Holy Saturday, which stress the death of Christ as descent into Hades, the region of death, for its destruction. But the pivotal point of the service occurs after the Entrance, when fifteen lessons from the Old Testament are read, all centered on the promise of the Resurrection, all glorifying the ultimate Victory of God, prophesied in the victorious Song of Moses after the crossing of the Red Sea ("Let us sing to the Lord, for gloriously has He been glorified"), the salvation of Jonah, and that of the three youths in the furnace.

Then the epistle is read, the same epistle that is still read at Baptism (Romans 6:3-11), in which Christ's death and resurrection become the source of the death in us of the "old man," the resurrection of the new, whose life is in the Risen Lord. During the special verses sung after the epistle, "Arise, O God, and judge the earth," the dark lenten vestments are put aside and the clergy vest in the bright white ones, so that when the celebrant appears with the Gospel the light of Resurrection is truly made visible in us, the "Rejoice" with which the Risen Christ greeted the women at the grave is experienced as being directed at us.

The Liturgy of St. Basil continues in this white and joyful light, revealing the Tomb of Christ as the Life-giving Tomb, introducing us into the ultimate reality of Christ's Resurrection, communicating His life to us, the children of fallen Adam.

One can and must say that of all services of the Church that are inspiring, meaningful, revealing, this one: the Vespers and Liturgy of St. Basil the Great and Holy Saturday is truly the liturgical climax of the Church. If one opens one's heart and mind to it and accepts its meaning and its light, the very truth of Orthodoxy is given by it, the taste and the joy of that new life which shines forth from the grave.

Rev. Alexander Schmemann
 
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Jesus, died a spiritual death as well as a physical death, the punishment for that sin is a spiritual death, not just a physical one or everyone whose body died could go to heaven. Jesus took away ou punishment and so died that spiritual death for us.
 
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woman.at.the.well said:
He died on the cross and was gone for three days? Does anyone know where He went? or what happened during those days before He rose on the 3rd day?

If you can, please give biblical references to support your statement. Thank you!

Jesus didn't go anywhere. He was dead and in the tomb for "three days" and was raised to newness of life by the power of God.
 
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You know, I don't think there's any theological mandate to anyone to believe in the Descent. However, what natman and I reported above is the traditional teaching of the Christian Church since early days, and has the Scriptural basis which pinkieposies cited. So I believe it deserves serious consideration by all, even if they ultimately decide they're not comfortable with it.


BTW, Hebrew "Sheol" = Greek "Hades," and neither means "Hell" or "Gehenna" in the eschatological sense. It is, or was, the "interim destination" of those who lived before the time of Christ, the "natural" (as opposed to Heaven given by supernatural grace) destination of the spirit after death.
 
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This is what I saw once
Jesus descended to the Gates of Hell where he stood and pounded on the gates and a voice roared out, Open the Gates and allow the King of Glory to come in. This was said three times and on the third time the gate fell and shattered falling like a cross.
Satan had thought the death of Jesus was a victory for him but now trembled, knowing he was utterly defeated.
Jesus released those held captive. The entire netherworld shook like a massive earthquake.

Outside great groups of angels waited for the released ones singing Praises to the King of Glory who was soon to open the gates of Heaven forever.

I saw this once between wake and sleep. I will never forget it.
What I discribe is a brief discription.
 
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woman.at.the.well said:
He died on the cross and was gone for three days? Does anyone know where He went? or what happened during those days before He rose on the 3rd day?

If you can, please give biblical references to support your statement. Thank you!

Here is an interesting scripture, Red letters

Rev. 1:17, 18 "...do not be afraid, I am the first and the last, and the living One, and I was dead, and behold I am live forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of hades."
 
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We can agree Hades is not hell. We have sheol, paradise on one side hades on the other. Simply, before judgement there is sheol. This would be for Old Testament folks so to speak. Matthew 16:17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Will not overcome it. And why hades? not hell? Because judgement comes before Heaven awaits God willing. And those in sheol are really there. Revelation 20:11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Isnt Jesus amazing. Glory to God. Great discussion. Good thread.

God Bless.:prayer:
 
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