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Any damage from Theistic Evolution?

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Vance

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Some YEC's have claimed that presenting theistic evolution, the idea that God created the entire universe, but happened to use the natural process of evolution as part of that creative process,can actually created a disbelief in Scripture.

They say that teaching that evolution is true is the equivalent of saying that Scripture can not be trusted, and thus will lead some to doubt ALL of the Scripture. And they may even be able to point to some who have said this and used it as a reason NOT to be a Christian, or for leaving their faith.

But what is the underlying premise to this issue? The ONLY ones who could be negatively effected by the teaching of theistic evolution are those who have been taught that evolution MUST be contrary to Scripture. Those who refuse to accept (as most Christians do) that the only contradiction that could exist is with a LITERAL reading of Scripture, which is only one of the possible ways of reading Genesis 1 and 2.

And, so, the problem ultimately still comes down to the presentation of evolution as being contrary to Scripture. If this was not taught, then no one would be able to say that the Bible was not trustworthy and they would not be able to deny anything else in Scripture. if they were taught that there were different beliefs about how Genesis should be read, and that some of these interpretations are entirely consistent with evolution and an old earth, then there would be little or no stumbling block to the presentation of either YEC'ism or theistic evolution.

Now, the theistic evolutionists are not the ones who are promoting this absolute and uncontrovertable contradiction between Scripture and evolution. In fact, we are doing our best to make sure people understand that there is an alternative to this literal reading.
 

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So where does it stop? Do we need to present Jesus as being A WAY rather than THE WAY? People won't come to the faith because they are hung up on Jesus being THE ONLY WAY to be saved. What about these people Vance? Do we have a duty to teach that Jesus is just A WAY so that the Bible is more palletable to them?
 
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mhess13 said:
So where does it stop? Do we need to present Jesus as being A WAY rather than THE WAY? People won't come to the faith because they are hung up on Jesus being THE ONLY WAY to be saved. What about these people Vance? Do we have a duty to teach that Jesus is just A WAY so that the Bible is more palletable to them?
No, you are falling into the fallacy of the slippery slope. It is not a matter of choosing a presentation of Christianity that is more palatable to the non-believer. That is not what we are talking about at all. It is a matter of presenting NON-salvation issues in a NON-dogmatic way when presenting them in a dogmatic way could cause an UNECESSARY stumbling block.

The important word there is "unecessary". While some YEC's would disagree (and have disagreed), I think most here would agree that your beliefs about origins, and even whether to read Genesis literally or figuratively is NOT a salvation issue. It is not essential to a faith in Christ. This is proven by the millions who believe differently on this issue but are all saved and going to Heaven.

While there may be some Christians who debate over what are the essentials of salvation, I think all but a very few would agree that accepting the redemptive gift of God's sacrifice of Jesus is one of those essentials.
 
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mhess13 said:
So where does it stop? Do we need to present Jesus as being A WAY rather than THE WAY? People won't come to the faith because they are hung up on Jesus being THE ONLY WAY to be saved. What about these people Vance? Do we have a duty to teach that Jesus is just A WAY so that the Bible is more palletable to them?
Ummmm.... Since when did evolution have anything to do with Jesus not being the only way?

You seem to be confusing TE with another belief. Unitarianism or something like that.

TE just accepts Gods second book called the Universe as valid evidence. TE aknowleges Gods hand in all of creation, not just the parts that support one reading of the bible over another.
 
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Some YEC's have claimed that presenting theistic evolution, the idea that God created the entire universe, but happened to use the natural process of evolution as part of that creative process,can actually created a disbelief in Scripture.

As an undercurrent in this ongoing conversation between YEC and everyone else i hear this idea that by using a miracle-Creation God is somehow more powerful than if He 'just' uses means-Providence.

but a quick look at the doctrine of the means of grace, or better yet a long study of Providence, shows that God is God no matter how He works in this world. Whether by the extraordinary- water into wine or the ordinary-Peter cast down your nets and follow me. This bias to the extraordinary, this desire to see the miraculous is in eschatology, in charismatic teaching, is even in evangelism whether the extraordinary conversion is almost perferred over the covenant child's long tutelage under the teachings of the church.

'bias towards the extraordinary'.
 
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I am a Progressive Creationist which isn't too far from TE. The problem or damage I think that YEC's say PC or TE does is that it robs Adam of original sin and original death. They see the animals as being vegetarians prior to Adam. They cling to this view so they can say that God would not CREATE animals that kill each other - they only kill each other because of Adam's sin.

Without the no-death-before-Adam postition, many of there why-do-bad-things-happen-to-good-people/animals apologetics fall apart.

At least those are the concerns I used to have as a former YEC'er.

EDIT: What is scary is that this attitude almost makes YEC an essential doctrine and it should not be.
 
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