Any christians that have converted from islam?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does it really matter whether Islam or Judaism controls it?

BS'D
Being a Dhimmi is often hazadorous to ones health

I didn't know what a Dhimmi was so I had to look it up. Ezekiel and Revelation both show brother against brother, so that could include Muslims and Jews

http://www.dhimmi.com/

Dhimmi is the status given to Jews and Christians under Islam. Throughout history, these religious minorities in Muslim lands have been opressed and victimized. Ending the culture of dhimmitude is a prerequistite for achieving peace and justice for all people in the Islamic world.


Ezekiel 38:21 "I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains," says the Lord GOD. "Every man's sword will be against his brother.

[SIZE=+2][/SIZE]Reve 6:Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that [people] should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.[SIZE=+2] [/SIZE]

 

[arunma]

If you read the Old Testament, Yahuweh more often than not blesses the israelites when then ban any religion other than Judaism. Look at Hezekiah. He broke down Pagan temples and destroyed alters, and removed paganism from His country of Judea. His land was spared, whilst the other ten tribes, in the top section of Israel Samaria, was carried off and took over by the Assyrians.

Even Yahushua/Jesus, when sending letters to 7 certain Ekklesia's/Congregations in the land either praises them for intolerance, or judges them for tolerance.

Well, I certainly don't suggest banning all non-Christian religions. Since God's church is now under the New Covenant, and because the Israelite theocracy is defunct, the Kingdom of God is no longer a political state, and we are neither commanded nor encouraged to create theocratic states. I personally have no qualms about coexisting alongside Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and any other religion whose adherants will live peacefully in our midst. I do have a problem with Islam, given that it has caused much terrorism in recent times.

 

[ThisYid]

BS'D

Well, I certainly don't suggest banning all non-Christian religions. Since God's church is now under the New Covenant, and because the Israelite theocracy is defunct, the Kingdom of God is no longer a political state, and we are neither commanded nor encouraged to create theocratic states. I personally have no qualms about coexisting alongside Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and any other religion whose adherants will live peacefully in our midst. I do have a problem with Islam, given that it has caused much terrorism in recent times.

Well said, theological differances aside, I need my fellow neighbors to be of the non-violent type

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Venom in response to venom.

Who taught you that?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I am not obsessed with Islam, but ending Islamophobia.

Go back and take a look at your posts. Is it our job to clear the name of Islam?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

well said Bushmaster...well said...its good to see you around...how you settling into the Orthodox tradition then...quite different isn't it... why not tell us your story...if you have not already

My dearest Kas, long time no see, I was going through old posts from 2004 the other day, thought about you, how are you?

I just love Orthodoxy, and I am indeed very happy to find this ancient way of Christianity. We are at times misunderstood but I do my best to explain.

 

[ServantofTheOne]

Never gonna happen. You wont turn our Western countries into Islamic States, never.

Not me, you will do it yourselves... maybe not you or your generation, but your grandchildren, if not by then, then your great great great grandchildren....

more and more people are realizing that true liberation of one's mind, body, and soul is through islam... submitting to the Creator, and living according to the laws of the Creator.

It is a trend that you cannot stop by force or by nukes. possibly they can try to slow it down, but the end is inevitable.

It has been prophecised by the prophet Muhammad(pbuh), al-Rum(the west) will be conquered by the pen, not by the sword.

Its a spiritual battle that cannot be won by the false idols of materialism, greed, decadence, and perverseness.

islam civilized the invading mongolian barbarians, it will do the same to the western rascist colonialists.

 

[AlanGurvey]

Good plan, but will it ever get to politics?

Until we wise up, then it's not going to happen.

Wow...if anything working to fight radicalized Islam is the answer, indiscrimanetly banning a religion is foolish.

 

[AlanGurvey]

Who taught you that?

ROTK

(not return of the king FYI)

 

[AlanGurvey]

You know a religion is begging for converts when you see them taking photographs of American converts and advertising them, proving that it is a rare occasion that needs to be remembered

You should see the messianic spam I used to get

 

[AlanGurvey]

Go back and take a look at your posts. Is it our job to clear the name of Islam?

When I first came here, there where four anti-Islamic threads started, that is why I am so paranoid against Islamophobia. I also noticed one thread about wicca/modern day paganism, which quickly turned into some wierd statements and other nasty remarks, however our pagan posters did a greater job with the situation then i could have ever done, in fact i am thinking of a new thread, the idea is to quote scripture that shows both loving kindness and similarities to christian morals in an attempt help create a better sense of religious unity on the forums. This is probably my worst response post ever, ill go get a bite to eat to clear my head, my nanas in the hospital and its getting under my skin!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Never gonna happen. You wont turn our Western countries into Islamic States, never.

Not me, you will do it yourselves... maybe not you or your generation, but your grandchildren, if not by then, then your great great great grandchildren....

more and more people are realizing that true liberation of one's mind, body, and soul is through islam... submitting to the Creator, and living according to the laws of the Creator.


It has been prophecised by the prophet Muhammad(pbuh), al-Rum(the west) will be conquered by the pen, not by the sword.

Its a spiritual battle that cannot be won by the false idols of materialism, greed, decadence, and perverseness.

islam civilized the invading mongolian barbarians, it will do the same to the western rascist colonialists.

I can't wait to see what the atheists, buddhist, jews, wiccans, pagans say about that.

Our beloved Apostle Paul elaborated further on our Lord's teachings of who will not get into heaven. Perhaps more homes and churces should put this on a plague on the wall.

Gala 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[arunma]

I can't wait to see what the atheists, buddhist, jews, wiccans, pagans say about that.

Our beloved Apostle Paul elaborated further on our Lord's teachings of who will not get into heaven. Perhaps more homes and churces should put this on a plague on the wall.

Gala 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Quite right! I would be very happy if we would tear down all of the Ten Commandments displays in courthouses and replace them with this passage from the epistle to the Galatians.

(No, I'm not advocating religious displays in public, so please no one jump on me.)

 

[Kas]

BS'D




Being a Dhimmi is often hazadorous to ones health

In the climate that is islamopandering...that permeates so much of the Liberal west...this point is often overlooked!

Kas

Kas says never again...and more...free the ones still in dhimmitude!

 

[Xanderman]

Indonesia, 280 million INDONESIAN muslims.

Do you have any idea how ridiculously low your credibility is thrust to the ground when you make absurd comments like this? In 2005 there were an estimated 222 million people in Indonesia, of which roughly 87% were Muslim. That brings our total of Muslims to around 194 million. You just increased the Indonesian Muslim population by nearly a hundred million with a twist of rhetoric.

This is the same kind of inaccuracy that thrives in Muslim apologetics. Exaggerate about membership figures and ignore the fact that they are due to massive breeding efforts, and not conversions.

not a single muslim soldier stepped foot on indonesian soil.

Tell it to the jihadists of the 13-15th centuries. According to a geographia dot com article on Indonesian history,

“In the thirteenth century, the Hindu Majapahit of Java faced a strong challenge from Muslim forces, which spread south from the Malay peninsula. Slowly losing ground, the Hindus retreated to Bali, where they remain today. The rest of the islands became Muslim, and various sultanates were established.”

African-American's make up approx 42% of the american muslim population, the largest group

Correct. How do you explain this? Are white people inherently stupid not to accept the “true” religion? Sounds pretty "racist" to me!

and you claim that most of these people were converted in prison? your rascism and ignorance is evident for all to see.

It isn’t racism or ignorance to state a fact, but your comment is typical of Muslim race-baiting. Further, how do you explain that Islam hasn’t managed to convert hardly any of the native peoples in N. America in two centuries? How many blond haired blue eyed Muslims do we know about? This is why you take their picture and plaster it on the website for all to see, trying to pretend it is such a common event.

and thanks to the fairly recent intense media exposure, whether bad or good, the entire world is wondering about islam...

And as recent polls have demonstrated, people generally have a negative perspective on Islam, whereas before 9-11 they relied on the movies, and the images of some Islamic warrior who was “noble” in everything he did. You had Hollywood on your side for decades, but now the fruits of your religion are too much for anyone to ignore anymore.

those who are sincerely searching for truth are finding it in islam.

Mostly in prison. In France 70% of the prisoners are Muslim. In America joining the Nation of Islam is the norm for black prisoners; mainly because it serves as their protection agency, the same way white tend to join some Nazi white supremist group in prison. You can’t run from statistics by calling everyone who notices them a “racist.”

its only a matter of time before the western societies admit their failing social systems... and more and more will find true contentment and freedom in the muslim lifestyle.

There is absolutely no evidence that freedom lovers in the West are beginning to fall for the ridiculous propaganda of Islamists and are beginning to view a barbaric third-world lifestyle of beheadings, human rights violations and dhimmitude as a preferable way of life. This is your castle in the sky, your pipe dream, but there is no evidence of this. None. The increase in Muslim population has nothing to do with conversions and everything to do with outrageous breeding efforts. This is proved by indisputable statistics. You cannot change the world through reason because there is hardly anything reasonable about Islam, nor is there anything Islam has to offer that Christianity and Judaism hasn’t already provided.

You guys try to have babies at 2-6 times the global average, sit back and count your membership rolls with smiles on your faces, and then delude yourself into thinking the visible increase has anything whatsoever to do with converts. If this were true you wouldn’t have to lie about membership figures and post photographs of white converts. Keep your delusions to yourself, because we’re just not that dumb.

 

[ServantofTheOne]

haha, breeding efforts.

thats quite laughable. islamic lifestyle values the extended family unit, we foster strong family ties. Islam establishes an environment for the family to thrive. I understand that the 'modern' lifestyle of europe and the west have put themselves in a negative birth rate dilema, what to do... shot ourselves in the foot... freedom, enjoyment, desires, leaves no room to raise a solid family... divorce when you feel like it, because your desires are not met.

the european white race are in a decline, due to your own social structures and diminishing values.

the wide array of muslim ethnicities throughout the globe is testimony against your ignorant statements. every color, and every race, every ethnic people, there are muslim populations... russia, china, far east, america, latino, caucuses, africa, europe... everywhere..

and you say that all this diversity in islam is from ... breeding rather than conversion??

and these are native peoples... unlike the europeans that exterminated most of the natives in america and replaced them with their own... and call it a christian nation.

even the turks themselves were not muslim at one point... they became muslim then took over the leadership of the muslims, now the turkic people stretch from turkey to western china...

the process has just now begun with the white race, before you know it, the white europeans will have their own notable muslim population. this may take hundreds of years, but the snowball has already started.

as the world is getting smaller, and communication and free exchange of ideas are becoming more prevelant, and access to information more accessible... it is ownly a natural outcome for people to become more and more aware of the beautiful vision of islam.

nothing you can do to stop it.

 

[Xanderman]

haha, breeding efforts. thats quite laughable.

It is actually, but it is also a hard fact that you cannot refute. The average birth rate on earth is around 12 per thousand. If I could post links, I’d post a chart whereby all the Muslim majority nations are upwards between 30-48 births per thousand. There are Twenty-four Muslim countries that average above 40 births per thousand; Twenty more Muslim majority nations that average above 35; and another ten above 30, and so on.

There is no disputing the hard facts, and as expected, you present none. All you do is offer the silly nonsense about how Islam is growing because it is true and Christianity is diminishing because it isn’t. You don’t want to face the reasons why it is growing because you are like the typical Muslim apologist, completely disinterested in facts.

the european white race are in a decline, due to your own social structures and diminishing values

Wrong. The same evidence proves that white Christian Europe is in decline because of its failure to keep up with Muslim breeding habits. Italy for example; Catholicism’s capitol. Its birth rate is just under nine births per thousand. Another Christian country, Spain is at ten births per thousand. This trend is typical throughout Christian Europe. They apparently believe there are more important things in life instead of adding to the economic demise via poverty and crime, because of uncontrollable and outrageous breeding habits that seek to add legitimacy to a religion.

Where are all the white American Muslims and Europeans? France is becoming Islamic through the flooding of Algerian and Moroccan immigrants. Every time we see a Muslim representative on TV, no matter what country he is from, he is of Arabic or Asian decent. Islam has been in the US for two hundred years, yet all it has managed to convert is blacks in the prison system, who are actually considered a heretical fringe of Islam. So keep spouting off about how Muslims are in every country and every race, bla bla bla, because we both know you cannot back up anything you say with facts or evidence. It is just rhetoric from a deluded Muslim in denial.

I present facts that are substantiated, and you present rhetoric. I proved you haven’t the faintest clue what you’re talking about and I have revealed your creepy need to exaggerate Muslim population numbers.

So keep laughing if you want, but the only thing that is funny is you.

 

[Disippelen]

Hey people. As the thread starter, I am happy for everyones comittment.

BUT

I must say that the subject of the thread "converts from islam" has not been followed up in most answers here.

I would encourage you all to stay to the subject of the thread.


A discussion about islam and religion in the world, political etc. etc. can be done elsewhere.

I easily see that a lot of you are very interested in the debate.



but let us keep to the subject here people



your friend

Magnus

 

[arunma]

Wrong. The same evidence proves that white Christian Europe is in decline because of its failure to keep up with Muslim breeding habits. Italy for example; Catholicism’s capitol. Its birth rate is just under nine births per thousand. Another Christian country, Spain is at ten births per thousand. This trend is typical throughout Christian Europe. They apparently believe there are more important things in life instead of adding to the economic demise via poverty and crime, because of uncontrollable and outrageous breeding habits that seek to add legitimacy to a religion.

Where are all the white American Muslims and Europeans? France is becoming Islamic through the flooding of Algerian and Moroccan immigrants. Every time we see a Muslim representative on TV, no matter what country he is from, he is of Arabic or Asian decent. Islam has been in the US for two hundred years, yet all it has managed to convert is blacks in the prison system, who are actually considered a heretical fringe of Islam. So keep spouting off about how Muslims are in every country and every race, bla bla bla, because we both know you cannot back up anything you say with facts or evidence. It is just rhetoric from a deluded Muslim in denial.

For what it's worth, Muslims on my university campus openly admit that they desire to have many children so as to overrun the world with more Muslims. This would seem to agree with the conclusions you've drawn.

 

[S Walch]

For what it's worth, Muslims on my university campus openly admit that they desire to have many children so as to overrun the world with more Muslims. This would seem to agree with the conclusions you've drawn.

Scary isn't it?

I can fully see why your opinion against Islam took a drastic change Arunma

http://www.prophetofdoom.net