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Sadly, Anti-Zionism is too quickly equated with "Anti-Semetism" and it doesn't help that the Israeli government couches ANY critique of their government as anti-semetism.
From what I understand, the ADL pushes this conflation, too. It seems to me that this narrative suits both the zionists (who use "antisemitism" as a shield) and the true anti-semites (who use Israel's behavior to paint all Jews as bad)
 
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Yeah, too many people equate opposition to Zionism as antisemitic. Too often, that view is espoused by those love Israel but dislike actual Jews as a people.
Because it is. If you are against Zionism then you are against the self-determination of the Jewish people. Period.
 
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Because it is. If you are against Zionism then you are against the self-determination of the Jewish people. Period.
Are you equally in favor of self-determination of the Palestinian people? Self determination by genocide is not an argument for Zionism. Furthermore, not all Jews, not all Israelis, are Zionists. No, being opposed to Zionism is NOT being opposed to Jewish people.
 
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Because it is. If you are against Zionism then you are against the self-determination of the Jewish people. Period.
lol, and opposing Jim Crow equated to opposing the self-determination of white people.

What a load.
 
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Are you equally in favor of self-determination of the Palestinian people? Self determination by genocide is not an argument for Zionism. Furthermore, not all Jews, not all Israelis, are Zionists. No, being opposed to Zionism is NOT being opposed to Jewish people.
Sure, but it is Hamas that is stopping it, not Israel. Hamas attacks Israel and shoots rockets from hospitals and schools. They are cowards and hide behind their own people. Zionism is the self determination of the Jewish people whether or not some Jews oppose it, so your point is moot.
 
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This thread is being moved to the Ethics and Morality forum, which is not a great fit, but it also does not really fit in the News forum. Even though the premise of the thread is related to current events, the purpose of the thread (discussing what exactly is anti-Semitism) does not fit the News forum.
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lol, and opposing Jim Crow equated to opposing the self-determination of white people.

What a load.
The "load" is you comment and comparison. NOT the same thing no matter how much you want it to be.
 
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The "load" is you comment and comparison. NOT the same thing no matter how much you want it to be.
"Self-determination" doesn't justify them treating Palestinians within their own borders as second-class citizens. "Self-determination" doesn't justify the oppression they're committing in the West Bank.
 
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"Self-determination" doesn't justify them treating Palestinians within their own borders as second-class citizens. "Self-determination" doesn't justify the oppression they're committing in the West Bank.
They don't. How many Jews live in Gaza? How many Arabs live in Israel? Arabs get to vote, worship, hold public office and work within Israel. You are just plain wrong...but you already knew that...
 
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From what I understand, the ADL pushes this conflation, too. It seems to me that this narrative suits both the zionists (who use "antisemitism" as a shield) and the true anti-semites (who use Israel's behavior to paint all Jews as bad)
Strange bedfellows.
 
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Israel is at war with the savages of Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel did not start this war. It was the savages of the terrorist armies who started this war decades ago killing children and civilians. Israel has had enough and Israel will end this war by utterly destroying the terrorist savages.
So those who kill civilians, you say, are savages. So if Israel kills exponentially more children and civilians, then...?
 
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All of the abuse Jews are receiving in the US does however appear quite Anti-Semetic.
Americans and others face abuse also. They are partners in crime with the state of Israel. Now if some Canadian or American or other westerners make it clear they do not agree with what their nations support, I would guess they could face less abuse.
 
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Arresting those in a savage terrorist army will not win a war. It is a very sad, but very unfortunate, truth that innocent people die in wars.
They are 'savages' because they killed civilians, right? Or are you suggesting it is racial and they are born that way?
 
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They are 'savages' because they killed civilians, right? Or are you suggesting it is racial and they are born that way?
well you do have the Genesis 16:12 narrative...
 
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Israel is at war with the savages of Hamas and Hezbollah.
So you call mass murdering children, women and civilians and destroying their homes and schools and infrastructure, depriving them of basic needs 'war'. We get it. All because you think savages are hiding under the women's dresses etc. Sorry if most of the world no more buys that excuse than they did Hitler's excuses.
Israel did not start this war.
This 'war' started, some would say, when the state began, and forcing people out, etc. As for the recent action by Hamas, it seems the jury is still out as to who bears responsibility for it. One cannot blindly, for example, accept claims from some witnesses that Israel killed a lot of the people who died that day. Nor could we accept that the blindness that allowed it to happen was totally purposeful, as some claim. Etc. It does seem ignorant though, to blindly accept the propaganda of only one side here.
It was the savages of the terrorist armies who started this war decades ago killing children and civilians.
The plot thickens. So now you extend who the 'savages' are to 'decades ago'. I wonder if some Palestinians called Israel that name if they would be considered antisemetic? Or do you think such hate speech is appropriate if used only against one race?
Israel has had enough and Israel will end this war by utterly destroying the terrorist savages.
Your prophesy is noted. I will, however, default to bible prophesy. That tells of most people of Israel dying, and being attacked by various nations etc. You seem to be overruled.
 
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I have noticed that if people do not agree with the way Israel acts that they are called 'antisemitic'. The word seems to have lost all meaning and relevance. One example is an news article where an associate dean for student and family support at Columbia University was quoted as saying ""He knows exactly what he's doing and how to take full advantage of this moment. Huge fundraising potential."

For that crime the guy was "permanently removed from their positions"

The dictionary defines antisemetism as

": relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group"

I do not see how having compassion, for example on the multitudes of children and civilians being killed and displaced in Palestine and not agreeing with the harsh actions of the state of Israel is 'antisemetic'?

The term is daily in the news.

Even Harris is accused of antisemetism

"charging that Harris “praised antisemitic protesters” and “parroted propaganda” from Hamas."

What a strange OP. Did you even read the article you linked? What those people said had nothing to do with "how Israel acts" or about having compassion for children.
 
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What a strange OP. Did you even read the article you linked? What those people said had nothing to do with "how Israel acts" or about having compassion for children.
Right, it had to do with them being labelled antisemitic. Naturally, Israel tends to come up, especially these days in a conversation involving that word.
 
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Explain how that applies to Gaza children?
Why do I need to? I was replying to your statement of "They are 'savages' because they killed civilians, right? Or are you suggesting it is racial and they are born that way?"
 
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Why do I need to? I was replying to your statement of "They are 'savages' because they killed civilians, right? Or are you suggesting it is racial and they are born that way?"
Is it supposed to be some negative thing? Relevant thing? Or just some random words?
 
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