Anti intellectualism directed against science.

[SelfSim]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
If it's about Shockley's behaviour perhaps biographies on him gives some clues.
In the 1920's there was the Genetic Studies of Genius which traced the progress of gifted children into adulthood.
Shockley was a candidate child but failed to make the cut as his measured IQ was too low.

Who knows maybe his failure to make the grade led to deep psychological scarring.
It might explain Shockley's obsession with IQ, such a such voluntary sterilization of people with IQ's of less than 100, to the extreme idea of whites being genetically superior to blacks on an intellectual level.
Also what better way to prove the researchers got it wrong by winning the Nobel prize in physics.
Whatever the case he was a nasty individual.

Yep .. I think were on the same tack there (apologies not not making myself clearer). Shockley's obsession may be a bit more extreme, with IQ score being his measurable criteria for judging intellectual acceptability.

I think what I'm sort of saying is that Physics in first year undergrad Engineering acts as a big filter for progression for at least ~40 or 50% of candidates. Quite a few engineers I've rubbed shoulders with over the years, elect to cover up any failures they had in Physics subjects and pretend that its just superfluous knowledge .. imposed by academia to reduce class sizes. Those who appear to still be able to strut their Physics stuff, then appear to become organisational political targets (to be chopped down to size by any, and all means).

I think such experiences may well develop into full-blown anti-intellectual biases later in life, or maybe that was just always present, all along(?) .. dunno.

 

[SelfSim]

You didn't need any god- help on that, go ahead
and grab the credit.

Its quite legitimate to grab credit for the entire concept of god too. After all, it is a human concept also, no?

 

[Astrid]

Now now, don't be so skeptical.

That is not it, at all. Its giving credit or blame
where due.
I don't think Christians are much into giving
mankind anywhere near enough credit for becoming
what we are, on our own.
Its really a shame, all the ancestors that the
"Adam and Eve" people deny, say they never
even existed.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That is not it, at all. Its giving credit or blame
where due.
I don't think Christians are much into giving
mankind anywhere near enough credit for becoming
what we are, on our own.
Its really a shame, all the ancestors that the
"Adam and Eve" people deny, say they never
even existed.

Mankind was made with intrinsic God-qualities, or we would never have survived.

 

[Astrid]

Mankind was made with intrinsic God-qualities, or we would never have survived.

Oh? What qualities are those?

Does the wombat and smelt also have such qualities?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh? What qualities are those?

Believers and unbelievers are virtually indistinguishable from each other in many ways.

Romans 2:13-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another...

 

[Astrid]

I don't think they were made in the image and likeness of God.

Believers and unbelievers are virtually indistinguishable from each other in many ways.

Romans 2:13-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another...

Um, that doesn't really answer the q., though it could
(and has) been used as a resson to inhibit the survival of
those outside said religion.

What God qualities?
How do they assure survival?
Prease exprain!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Um, that doesn't really answer the q., though it could
(and has) been used as a resson to inhibit the survival of
those outside said religion.

What God qualities?
How do they assure survival?
Prease exprain!

God put a 'spirit' in man that imparts intellect and our 'humanity'. It is our humanity that binds us together, facilitates cooperation, survival, progress, etc. It isn't the Holy Spirit, but it is a spirit unique to man.

Sorry, you can't see it through a microscope.

 

[Astrid]

God put a 'spirit' in man that imparts intellect and our 'humanity'. It is our humanity that binds us together, facilitates cooperation, survival, progress, etc. It isn't the Holy Spirit, but it is a spirit unique to man.

Sorry, you can't see it through a microscope.

I wasn't hoping to see it thus, just some notion of what
it uscand how it works as I never heard of it before.
I still don't know.

All the other animals survive without God-spirit, but you
hold that people are too weak and inept to survive without
this special help?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I wasn't hoping to see it thus, just some notion of what
it uscand how it works as I never heard of it before.
I still don't know.

All the other animals survive without God-spirit, you
hold that people are tooweak and inept to survive without
this special help?

You be the judge. Can man survive with the mentality of an animal? We have no fangs, no claws, no fur, no tools, and little strength. Without the human spirit we're just naked apes.

 

[Astrid]

You be the judge. Can man survive with the mentality of an animal? We have no fangs, no claws, no fur, no tools. Without the human spirit we're just naked apes.

We is all animals.
A dolphin can't survive with human mentality.
Nor yet a bat with cat brain.

Curious..are you among those who deny all their
ancestors from pre- "Adam and Eve" date?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We is all animals.
A dolphin can't survive with human mentality.
Nor yet a bat with cat brain.

Curious..are you among those who deny all their
ancestors from pre- "Adam and Eve" date?

Do you mean do I disbelieve that modern (Adamic) man is the direct result of millions of years of uninterrupted biological evolution? Yes.

 

[Astrid]

Do you mean do I disbelieve that modern (Adamic) man is the direct result of millions of years of biological evolution? Yes.

Cool.
At what point tho did people lose competence
to survive sans god- help?
I never heard of this idea before!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Cool.
At what point tho did people lose competence
to survive sans god- help?
I never heard of this idea before!

Not sure I understand the question.

 

[Astrophile]

Oh? What qualities are those?

Does the wombat and smelt also have such qualities?

Do malarial mosquitos, tapeworms, plague bacteria and coronavirus have the same qualities?

 

[Astrophile]

You be the judge. Can man survive with the mentality of an animal? We have no fangs, no claws, no fur, no tools, and little strength. Without the human spirit we're just naked apes.

The australopithecines were just naked apes, but they survived for about three million years.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The australopithecines were just naked apes, but they survived for about three million years.

I dunno, they look pretty hairy to me.

Australopithecus Evolution - Bing video

 

[Astrophile]

I dunno, they look pretty hairy to me.

Australopithecus Evolution - Bing video

Why would having hair compensate for the absence of the God-given intellect and humanity that, according to you, is the only thing that enables us to survive?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why would having hair compensate for the absence of the God-given intellect and humanity that, according to you, is the only thing that enables us to survive?

I wasn't talking about surviving three million years ago. Imagine Africans today surviving without human intelligence.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I wasn't talking about surviving three million years ago. Imagine Africans today surviving without human intelligence.

So how do the other species surviving today (at least 2 million of them) survive without human intelligence?