Anthropic Biosphere

[AV1611VET]

Consider this:

We live in a universe hostile to life on earth, yet within a biosphere that has been fine-tuned to keep us alive for awhile.

If we were to encounter a biosphere on the moon that could sustain human life, I'm sure we would conclude it was created by intelligent life.

In fact, we would probably look for the machine that is producing the biodome.

Yet for some reason, a handful of the population prefers to think differently about our biosphere; i.e., no intelligent creation under consideration.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[pgp_protector]

Before anybody even bother answering you, when you don't get the response that you want, Are you going to run to the mods and asked that the thread be closed?

 

[ForJesusChrist]

Because they have no religion.

 

[JustMeSee]

We know that our moon does not sustain human life. So, if it did this discussion would have taken place many years ago. If the moon have a biosphere for life, we all would just take it for granted.

There is the possibility that other planets in the universe could sustain life, human or other forms. Finding them would not solve the question of a higher being.

 

[AV1611VET]

Before anybody even bother answering you, when you don't get the response that you want, Are you going to run to the mods and asked that the thread be closed?

And if I do get the response that I want, Are you going to run to the mods and asked that they be banned outright? i.e., no warnings, infractions, or suspensions?

 

[AV1611VET]

Because they have no religion.

No insight either apparently, or they would understand this.

 

[AV1611VET]

We know that our moon does not sustain human life.

Correct.

The moon is in the part of the universe that is hostile to human life.

So, if it did this discussion would have taken place many years ago.

Why?

Suppose the biosphere is one square mile on the far side of the moon?

If the moon have a biosphere for life, we all would just take it for granted.

Yes, if the moon had a biosphere friendly to human life, the moon would be included in our biosphere -- but it doesn't.

There is the possibility that other planets in the universe could sustain life, human or other forms.

Other forms aside -- since this thread is about human life -- the universe has not been found to have a biosphere tuned to the "frequencies" of ours.

Therefore this thread.

Finding them would not solve the question of a higher being.

This thread is more about intelligent creation.

As I said, finding a biosphere on the moon, in my opinion, would predicate a search for the machine that is generating the biodome -- not the creator of the machine.

That would come later.

 

[durangodawood]

Consider this:

We live in a universe hostile to life on earth, yet within a biosphere that has been fine-tuned to keep us alive for awhile.

If we were to encounter a biosphere on the moon that could sustain human life, I'm sure we would conclude it was created by intelligent life.

In fact, we would probably look for the machine that is producing the biodome.

Yet for some reason, a handful of the population prefers to think differently about our biosphere; i.e., no intelligent creation under consideration.

Why do you suppose that is?

Why is it soooo amazing that we would find life in the places suited to it, like earth?

 

[essentialsaltes]

In fact, we would probably look for the machine that is producing the biodome.

Yet for some reason, a handful of the population prefers to think differently about our biosphere; i.e., no intelligent creation under consideration.

Why do you suppose that is?

Because there are no machines producing the biodome.

 

[MikeCarra]

Consider this:

We live in a universe hostile to life on earth, yet within a biosphere that has been fine-tuned to keep us alive for awhile.

If we were to encounter a biosphere on the moon that could sustain human life, I'm sure we would conclude it was created by intelligent life.

In fact, we would probably look for the machine that is producing the biodome.

Yet for some reason, a handful of the population prefers to think differently about our biosphere; i.e., no intelligent creation under consideration.

Why do you suppose that is?

They did. They looked for centuries for this intelligence. When it didn't seem to show up they looked for the most reasonable explanation.

And interestingly enough if you have a bunch of organic chemicals that can combine to "reproduce" certain other organic chemicals and those that can't survive in this environment are destroyed you will end up with a bunch of organic chemicals that appear to be fine-tuned for this environment!

It's like the question about mud puddles: did the water in the mud puddle assume the shape of the hole or was the water sitting there in some particular shape until a hole was made that exactly matched its shape?

Hmmmmm.....

 

[MikeCarra]

Because they have no religion.

and that's a good thing.

So how do you believe Al'lah created all life? And was He acting in a certain way when he created the prophet Jesus?

Oh, sorry, you aren't a muslim. My bad....so let's talk about Aharu Mazda when He created all life....

Oh, wait...you aren't Zoroastrian are you? Oh I'm so sorry! So how do you think YAHWEH created all life? And was he acting in a certain way when He manifested Himself as Jesus?

Whew! Sorry about the confusion! I'm sure the answer dictates the question.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why is it soooo amazing that we would find life in the places suited to it, like earth?

Did you read my OP?

 

[AV1611VET]

Because there are no machines producing the biodome.

Is this discussion going to be about the earth? or elsewhere?

I stipulated the moon.

You guys seem to want to bring it back to the earth, where the point isn't as effective.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's like the question about mud puddles: did the water in the mud puddle assume the shape of the hole or was the water sitting there in some particular shape until a hole was made that exactly matched its shape?

Hmmmmm.....

The mud puddle argument actually goes in favor of Biblical creationists.

I always ask them how that water just happened to be made in the image & likeness of an Entity outside of the hole.

 

[durangodawood]

Did you read my OP?

Yeah.

So? Its a big universe out there. The might be millions or billions of life-suited locales.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah.

So? Its a big universe out there. The might be millions or billions of life-suited locales.

Until then, I'll assume my OP is thought-provoking.

 

[pgp_protector]

Before anybody even bother answering you, when you don't get the response that you want, Are you going to run to the mods and asked that the thread be closed?

And if I do get the response that I want, Are you going to run to the mods and asked that they be banned outright? i.e., no warnings, infractions, or suspensions?

hmm I don't recall ever asking anyone be banned outright, any Evidence ?
(Evidence for you asking mods to close threads is available though)

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[lesliedellow]

Consider this:

We live in a universe hostile to life on earth, yet within a biosphere that has been fine-tuned to keep us alive for awhile.

If we were to encounter a biosphere on the moon that could sustain human life, I'm sure we would conclude it was created by intelligent life.

In fact, we would probably look for the machine that is producing the biodome.

Yet for some reason, a handful of the population prefers to think differently about our biosphere; i.e., no intelligent creation under consideration.

Why do you suppose that is?

Whilst cosmological fine tuning can be made to work as an argument for the existence of God, that can't. There are hundreds of billions of stars in each galaxy, and hundreds of billions of galaxies. By pure chance, somewhere amongst that lot there almost had to be a star with a planet able to support life orbiting it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Consider this:

We live in a universe hostile to life on earth, yet within a biosphere that has been fine-tuned to keep us alive for awhile.

If we were to encounter a biosphere on the moon that could sustain human life, I'm sure we would conclude it was created by intelligent life.

In fact, we would probably look for the machine that is producing the biodome.

Yet for some reason, a handful of the population prefers to think differently about our biosphere; i.e., no intelligent creation under consideration.

Why do you suppose that is?

teleological failure.
Life adapts to match the conditions on the planet, not the other way round.

 

[Armoured]

Anthropic principle. Far out.