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Another thread on predestination (Eph 1)

Is predestination done through God's foreknowledge?

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rnmomof7

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My bible says faith is a gift ... Eph2...Romans 3:27
 
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My bible says faith is a gift ... Eph2...Romans 3:27
Mark 6:6 Jesus was amazed at their lack of faith.
Matt8:10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.

So Jesus was amazed at the faith that he irresistibly gave him?
 
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So do you think you were smarter or more holy than the people that do not believe?
 
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"He marvelled.—The word is to be noted as bearing on the reality of our Lord’s human nature, and therefore on the necessary limits within which He, as being truly man, in spirit as well as body, vouchsafed to work. Whatever powers of prevision or insight into the hearts of men might belong to Him, they were not such as to exclude the wonder which men feel at that which comes to them unlooked for."
Mark 6 Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
 
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Lol, nice dance, but not convincing.
 
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Good Day, Zoidar

Then I guess you need to explain why the Sacrificial guidelines for breaking of the law were given as part of the law..if there were meant to be kept and could be kept...

These words of Mine... Sermon on the Mount really need to start back in Matt 5. Has nothing to do with the law given to the nation of Israel. Really has to do with the reality of born again people as kingdom people are to be.

Great book on this would be:

Studies in the Sermon on the Mount [D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones]
 
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Good day, Zoidar

It is impossible for us to hear unless we have been raised from death to life, born from above by The Spirit according to the will of the father.

Jn 1 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



No truth was reveled to you once you were grated the gift of repentance that leads to the knowledge of truth that is it purpose that is the explict reason it was granted to you by God. Your belief was also granted to you as well for the purpose of your believing.

I guess I would need to understand your views of regeneration and the means by which one is regenerated. I would say regeneration has effects that can not be denied and is an the only effective cause for it's effects. God has a purpose in regeneration that always comes to pass because only he is capable of do it.

Php 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake


I also like to add, salvation has very little to do with theology, but a lot to do with repentance.

I would say you have a very bad definition of the word Theology:

noun, plural the·ol·o·gies.
the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study.

Literally the the science of God.

In Him,

Bill
 
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The problem is that people don't want to repent. That is where God's drawing is necessary.


Good Day, Zoidar

The issue is people can not repent unless (perhaps) God grants it to them.

The drawing of the Father in JN 6 has to do with mans inability to come to Christ unless the Father does drawing.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

In Him,

Bill
 
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You're desperate to control your own faith. I just can't imagine trying to redefine basic words.
What word? Willingness?
"the quality or state of being prepared to do something; readiness."
Are you seriously suggesting people are saved against their will? Please provide biblical proof.
 
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No one is perfect, we need sacrifice for sin.


It's by the Holy Spirit one is regenerated. By circumsision of the heart you get to know Christ. Jesus is no longer someone we know about, but we know him personally. I believe that is regeneration. Some way God leads you towards the point were you will have to make a decision to give your life to Christ or not, that's the drawing of God.

You are saying all this is God's doing and we got no part in this. I believe we have. I often use this analogy: God is the big wheel, we are the small wheel inside the big wheel. Like this our free will isn't independent of God's will.

I would say you have a very bad definition of the word Theology

What word would you suggest I use instead?


I agree with this.
 
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What word? Willingness?
"the quality or state of being prepared to do something; readiness."
Are you seriously suggesting people are saved against their will? Please provide biblical proof.
Your definition of will renders eph:1:5 meaningless. Having predestined us at the beginning, he was simply prepared to save us or ready to do so. That would be a ridiculous interpretation, especially in light of such strong language at the beginning of the verse. To will is to act, it is God who acts in our salvation, it is he who opens our cold dead heart.
 
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