Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[Astrid]

You are incorrect on a number of points. Man is primarily a spirit being, that has a soul and inhabits a body.

It is hardly surprising if the physical body has common aspects with animals. We inhabit the same earth. God's food supplies are much the same for animals as humans. It makes perfect sense for our physiology to share common features.

Spirit and soul are entirely different. The spirit of man is the part of him where God dwells. It includes conscience, the ability to fellowship with God and intuition, which is the ability to know without logic or reason. The spirit is the part of man that died when Adam chose to disobey God and became complicit with Satan.

The soul of man includes mind, emotion and the ability to choose - volition. Animals do not have the ability to choose in the sense of being morally responsible for their actions. They operate on instinct. Animals and birds can be remarkably intelligent. But no one is going to take a dolphin to court for killing another dolphin. God's judgement will apply only to the human race, not to the animals.

The part of us that died to God is the spirit and that is the part that is born again. Lord Jesus dwells in the born again spirit. That is where He leads us, convicts us, teaches us and fellowships with us.

There is no salvation for animals in this life. God will restore the animal kingdom to what it was before the fall. I'm convinced that I will see my pets in heaven, but I have no Biblical justification for saying so.

You've no evidence that any of that is true, ithervthan your choice to
believe your chosen ubterpretation,
ofan old book is Truth.

A book with a lot of gross error built into it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You've no evidence that any of that is true, other than your choice to believe your chosen interpretation of an old book is Truth.

1. What changed Saul of Tarsus into the Apostle Paul?

2. What made Jesus' half-brother James go from wondering if Jesus was real, to writing a book of the Bible that tells you how you can spot a Christian a mile away?

3. What changed my life, from a Christ-denier to a Christ-follower overnight?

4. How has Jesus changed your life?

A book with a lot of gross error built into it.

Are you talking about a college science book from ten years ago?

 

[Hans Blaster]

1. What changed Saul of Tarsus into the Apostle Paul?

Letter substitution. (a bad cypher)

2. What made Jesus' half-brother James go from wondering if Jesus was real, to writing a book of the Bible that tells you how you can spot a Christian a mile away?

Some "brother" if he doesn't believe his "brother" is real.

3. What changed my life, from a Christ-denier to a Christ-follower overnight?

That's your thing, and this isn't the "testimonies" section.

4. How has Jesus changed your life?

A wasted youth.

Are you talking about a college science book from ten years ago?

That's why we update them. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's why we update them. Is that so hard to understand?

Interesting word choice ("update").

Do they "update" or "fix" their errors?

If Johnny says 5+4=7, and he later changes "7" to "9", has he updated his error, or fixed it?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Interesting word choice ("update").

Do they "update" or "fix" their errors?

If Johnny says 5+4=7, and he later changes "7" to "9", has he updated his error, or fixed it?

Your analogy is bad. Show me anyplace where arithmetic has been altered in the last few millenia.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your analogy is bad.

So is your word choice.

 

[GenemZ]

Agree.
However, you are talking about something beyond the comprehension of atheists. They don‘t even recognize that human has human spirit. Needless to say anything about the Holy Spirit.

I have met someone who did not even think we have a soul.
What he called a soul is simply a form of biological function.

Even if one could perfectly define a spirit? An atheist is blind and unable to see it.

But, when God regenerates a former atheist? Shocks of the new reality to his old way of thinking wipes out his past way of perceiving.
Until then? It seems his curiosity keeps getting the best of him.

grace and peace ...........

 

[Hans Blaster]

So is your word choice.

How so?

 

[juvenissun]

I have met someone who did not even think we have a soul.
What he called a soul is simply a form of biological function.

Even if one could perfectly define a spirit? An atheist is blind and unable to see it.

But, when God regenerates a former atheist? Shocks of the new reality to his old way of thinking wipes out his past way of perceiving.
Until then? It seems his curiosity keeps getting the best of him.

grace and peace ...........

Yes, many think soul and/or spirit are only biological functions.
I don‘t argue about that, but only reminded them that the huge difference of such functions between human and animals are beyond comprehension. They should clearly understand that evolution process does NOT do that.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, many think soul and/or spirit are only biological functions.
I don‘t argue about that, but only reminded them that the huge difference of such functions between human and animals are beyond comprehension. They should clearly understand that evolution process does NOT do that.

It sounds like you are talking about consciousness and other brain functions. Other animals have those.

 

[AV1611VET]

How so?

Okay, fine.

It's not poor word choice.

But all you're doing is going from one error to another.

Pick any error from a college science book from ten years ago, and tell me if that error has been fixed or not?

Just one.

Not updated -- fixed.

(Maybe I should make this into a challenge thread. I'll wait and see what your answer is.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Okay, fine.

It's not poor word choice.

But all you're doing is going from one error to another.

Pick any error from a college science book from ten years ago, and tell me if that error has been fixed or not?

Just one.

Not updated -- fixed.

(Maybe I should make this into a challenge thread. I'll wait and see what your answer is.)

I don't have any 10 year old college science books, only 30 year old ones.

But you are also conflating errors and updated information.

In my old books, the age of the Universe would have been given as 10-20 billion years. Today's texts use updated information from better quality measurements as 13.7 \pm 0.1 billion years. That is certainly within the 10-20 billion range, but it is more precise because there is better information available now.

The encyclopedia we had when I was a kid listed "John F. Kennedy: 35th President of the United States (1961-). Was it wrong? No, it was just published while he was president. A couple years later the same encyclopedia set would have been updated to include the ending year of his presidency and paragraphs about his death. Books contain known information and updating them to include information that was not previously known is not "error". It is the passage of time.

 

[JohnEmmett]

A lot creationists … seem outright offended at the notion of being related to animals.

Animals are mundane, humans can be spiritual

 

[dlamberth]

Pick any error from a college science book from ten years ago, and tell me if that error has been fixed or not?

I think any update in college books as new information presents it's self is way, way better than all of the errors found in very ancient middle-eastern creation stories that leave no room as we acquire new insights about the Earth and the Universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think any update in college books as new information presents it's self is way, way better than all of the errors found in very ancient middle-eastern creation stories that leave no room as we acquire new insights about the Earth and the Universe.

That's because the "errors" in ancient middle-eastern creation stories are lies of the devil.

 

[dlamberth]

That's because the "errors" in ancient middle-eastern creation stories are lies of the devil.

The thing is, unlike college books that make room for updating information as it presents itself, no such room is allowed with in those ancient middle-eastern creation stories

 

[AV1611VET]

The thing is, unlike college books that make room for updating information as it presents itself, no such room is allowed with in those ancient middle-eastern creation stories

That's because they're already wrong.

Wrong is wrong.

And science is just as wrong about how this universe got configured as Brahma is.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, many think soul and/or spirit are only biological functions.
I don‘t argue about that, but only reminded them that the huge difference of such functions between human and animals are beyond comprehension. They should clearly understand that evolution process does NOT do that.

" ...does NOT do that"

Awful sure about that.


Are you denying all evolution
while you are at it?

 

[GenemZ]

Yes, many think soul and/or spirit are only biological functions.
I don‘t argue about that, but only reminded them that the huge difference of such functions between human and animals are beyond comprehension. They should clearly understand that evolution process does NOT do that.

Do animals bet?

 

[juvenissun]

Do animals bet?

bet: do something in order to gain something else.
Animals fight or race for food, mate, etc.
What is the point?