Another "the tragic results of thread"

[Meshavrischika]

The tragic results of being judgmental: you drive those you profess to want to help away and damage them instead of showing them the love of Christ.

Just my 2 cents.

I don't believe it's moral to persecute people based on your religious beliefs.

 

[PeterMaclellan]

I agree, I never understood the mind of the fire and brimstone towards all that disagree with you crowd. It might have worked centuries ago when you were subjugating natives and trying to scare them out of their tribal shamanistic ways but it impresses no one today and clearly is counter productive to your cause. Judgmental people are sick human beings who derive satisfaction from the idea that others will be going to hell and sadistically enjoy rubbing it in their face. Fortunately the people they are talking to usually respond with pity and laughter.

 

[Soul Searcher]

The tragic results of being judgmental: you drive those you profess to want to help away and damage them instead of showing them the love of Christ.

Just my 2 cents.

I don't believe it's moral to persecute people based on your religious beliefs.

I agree..

 

[Meshavrischika]

I don't even think they're sick human beings.... just misdirected by religion and possibly lacking self esteem (why else think someone is less than you?)

 

[Soul Searcher]

From the Gospel of the Nazerines section titled what is truth.

12. Many shall say unto me, Lord, Lord, we have been zealous for thy Truth. But I shall say unto them, Nay, but, that others may see as ye see, and none other truth beside. Faith without charity is dead. Love is the fulfilling of the Law.

13. How shall faith in what they receive profit them that hold it in unrighteousness? They who have love have all things, and without love there is nothing worth. Let each hold what they see to be the truth in love, knowing that where love is not, truth is a dead letter and profiteth nothing.

14. There abide Goodness, and Truth, and Beauty, but the greatest of these is Goodness. If any have hatred to their fellows, and harden their hearts to the creatures of God’s hands, how can they see Truth unto salvation, seeing their eyes are blinded and their hearts are hardened to God’s creation?

15. As I have reveived the Truth, so have I given it to you. Let each receive it according to their light and ability to understand, and persecute not those who receive it after a different interpretation.

16. For Truth is the Might of God, and it shall prevail in the end over all errors. But the holy Law which I have given is plain for all, and just and good. Let all observe it for the salvation of their souls.

 

[Meshavrischika]

sorry. had to look that gospel up. you learn something new every day.

 

[cantata]

I've never seen anyone won over with fire and brimstone. It's love (and experience) that make people change.

 

[gengwall]

I've never seen anyone won over with fire and brimstone. It's love (and experience) that make people change.

...and that starts with relationship. You can't possibly expect to impact anyone if you refuse to enter into a relationship with them. "Love your neighbor" is not a passive, sit in my house and think loving things about them, command. It requires action and starts with building face to face, shoulder to shoulder, relationships. Like the DC Talk song says - "Love is a verb!"

 

[KarateCowboy]

Just my 2 cents.

And worth even less than that, given its status as a classic PRATT:

we all know it's absolutely wrong to tell others they are absolutely wrong, unless, of course, you're telling them they are absolutely wrong to tell others they are absolutely wrong.

Whether it's sodomy, stealing, or spouse abuse, this whole line of reasoning is inherently self-defeating and hypocritical. Not only that, but it's usually disingenuous, particularly when applied to homosexuality, as that is a moral belief, not a theological one. Furthermore, this PRATT is unfounded Biblically. I cannot think of a single part of the Bible that teaches 'being judgmental' is a sin. I have seen parts where it says being hypocritical is to be avoided; I have seen parts where is warns against being without compassion; I have seen condemnation for being without love; but never have I seen anything about the vice of being 'judgmental'.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

MORE ROB BELL. Seriously, he covers it very well.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=R3bwlMOZNDo

 

[gwenmead]

The tragic results of being judgmental: you drive those you profess to want to help away and damage them instead of showing them the love of Christ.

Yup. Funny how that works, ain't it.

Of course, judgmental people tend to believe their judgment is perfectly justified by religious doctrine, so they're not going to change their presentation any. After all, it isn't them doing the judging, it's God; they're just the messenger. And of course, if someone rejects the message, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the arrogant, judgmental, abusive attitude in which it was couched - it's all the rejecter's fault, for being rebellious or stubborn. Of course.

I've got a couple dozen folks on my ignore list who I'd love to send a free membership to the EAC - because every one of them does a far, far better job turning people away from the gospel than any atheist I've ever known. And they refuse to realize it.

 

[cantata]

...and that starts with relationship. You can't possibly expect to impact anyone if you refuse to enter into a relationship with them. "Love your neighbor" is not a passive, sit in my house and think loving things about them, command. It requires action and starts with building face to face, shoulder to shoulder, relationships. Like the DC Talk song says - "Love is a verb!"

"Luv", technically

Of course, a really great way to enter into a relationship with someone is to show them what a lovely person you are by letting them know they're going to hell and you're not

 

[Verv]

Our job as Christians is to let our light shine through to others, live as examples of what people can do when empowered by God. Christ asks us to let our light shine for the whole world to see:

[bible]Matthew 5:16[/bible]

We do not lead people to God by judging them and making them small but rather by showing them the Light of God in ourselves.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Great point! The problem isnt so much claiming homosexuality is a sin as much as it is multitudes of other sins either get ignored or encouraged. For the longest time too many have promoted Christianity through psychological terror: 'Accept Christ or spend eternity is Hell ye thankless Sodomites!'

 

[Meshavrischika]

I was thinking this morning...

If someone does not believe in hell, how are you going to "scare them straight" by telling them they're going there? lol. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Great point! The problem isnt so much claiming homosexuality is a sin as much as it is multitudes of other sins either get ignored or encouraged. For the longest time too many have promoted Christianity through psychological terror: 'Accept Christ or spend eternity is Hell ye thankless Sodomites!'

Christians do not teach that people go to Hell for not accepting Christ. They teach that God sends people to Hell as punishment for sin. If you do not sin then you do not need redemption through Christ's sacrifice. However, if you have sinned then you can be redeemed through Christ's sacrifice.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

That's really bad theology. We are ALL born into sin, meaning, everyone is a sinner and as such needs Salvation to avoid hell. There is even a passage clarifying this by saying 'ALL have sinned and fallen short.'

 

[Meshavrischika]

Christians do not teach that people go to Hell for not accepting Christ. They teach that God sends people to Hell as punishment for sin. If you do not sin then you do not need redemption through Christ's sacrifice. However, if you have sinned then you can be redeemed through Christ's sacrifice.

huh? ALL have sinned so it's a moot point. Not accpting Christ is the reason you would "go to hell" though I don't believe the common conception of what hell is. And it's really all that is required.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Elsan, true, some do laugh it off but others buy into it. Christian theology permeates every area of our lives from the thousands of movies about satan/hell/demons to the Christmas season, Easter, etc. In short, from the time we are born we are inculcated with these beliefs.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Elsan, true, some do laugh it off but others buy into it. Christian theology permeates every area of our lives from the thousands of movies about satan/hell/demons to the Christmas season, Easter, etc. In short, from the time we are born we are inculcated with these beliefs.

most of them bastardized mixtures of christian and pagan commercialism and sensationalism .. lol