Another look at the moon landing.

[Strong in Him]

I've seen plenty of evidence for them not to have been to the moon & walked on it.

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You look for that "evidence " because you need to prove, to yourself, that they didn't happen. And if you are shown something to the contrary you have to dismiss it as fake, or lies to be able to shore up your position.

You've even been told that some of those involved were born again Christians - and you dismissed them as "deluded freemasons".

 

[trophy33]

Maybe not but the Bible does give us pointers towards these.

No, bible gives no pointers towards poles, antarctica, limited sight of view etc. Its all foreign to the biblical cosmology. And in the same time, you ignore many properties of the biblical worldview (because you do not believe them?) .

This still doesn't defer from the fact that God set the sun & the moon in the firmament.

God did not set the sun and the moon in the firmament, because there is no firmament.

And God did not create a flat earth, because, as the unending errors in your flat earth models are proving, the flat earth does not work. It does not work even hypothetically, it cannot be even drawn or presented as a model, it fundamentally contradicts the reality we observe.

 

[trophy33]

When Bible says God did something, while its obvious He did not, the thing you need to change is your view of the biblical inspiration. There is hardly any other way (aside from absurd conspiracies, Matrix-like illusions and I do not know what else).

 

[Apple Sky]

God did not set the sun and the moon in the firmament,

King James Bible
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth

 

[Apple Sky]

You've even been told that some of those involved were born again Christians - and you dismissed them as "deluded freemasons".

Show me a 33% Freemason who's not deluded & in with the big boys.

 

[Apple Sky]

When Bible says God did something, while its obvious He did not, the thing you need to change is your view of the biblical inspiration.

When the Bible says God did something which he did do, I reckon it's you who needs to change your biblical perspective.

 

[Strong in Him]

Show me a 33% Freemason who's not deluded & in with the big boys.

Whether a freemason is "in with the big boys" or not, is not the point.
The statement was made that some of these astronauts/NASA employees were born again Christians - you contradicted that and claimed that they were Freemasons.
How do you know?
I am certain you have not met, or spoken, to any, because if you had you would have challenged their claims about walking on the moon, the shape of the earth, argued that space doesn't exist and so on. If you had won that argument, you would have freely spoken of that on here - "the day I challenged NASA and won", or something similar.
If you haven't met the 12 astronauts who have landed on the moon over the years and spoken to them about their beliefs, you don't know.
So that is a judgement.

If some of them are/were Christians, they followed, and belonged to, Christ.
What did the risen Jesus say to Saul when he was persecuting the followers of Jesus? "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting", Acts 9:5.
Badmouth/slander Jesus' followers, and children, and you are slandering Jesus himself.

Even if they weren't Christians, it doesn't necessarily make them Freemasons.

 

[Strong in Him]

When the Bible says God did something which he did do, I reckon it's you who needs to change your biblical perspective.

It does not say he created a "protective layer of the firmament."

 

[Apple Sky]

Whether a freemason is "in with the big boys" or not, is not the point.
The statement was made that some of these astronauts/NASA employees were born again Christians - you contradicted that and claimed that they were Freemasons.
How do you know?
I am certain you have not met, or spoken, to any, because if you had you would have challenged their claims about walking on the moon, the shape of the earth, argued that space doesn't exist and so on. If you had won that argument, you would have freely spoken of that on here - "the day I challenged NASA and won", or something similar.
If you haven't met the 12 astronauts who have landed on the moon over the years and spoken to them about their beliefs, you don't know.
So that is a judgement.

If some of them are/were Christians, they followed, and belonged to, Christ.
What did the risen Jesus say to Saul when he was persecuting the followers of Jesus? "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting", Acts 9:5.
Badmouth/slander Jesus' followers, and children, and you are slandering Jesus himself.

Even if they weren't Christians, it doesn't necessarily make them Freemasons.

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[Apple Sky]

It does not say he created a "protective layer of the firmament."

What else could protect earth from the waters above ? What else could divide the Heavens above from earth ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Among the Stars: Freemason Astronauts | Scottish Rite, NMJ

From Buzz Aldrin to John Glenn, many notable astronauts and American heroes also belong to the world’s oldest fraternity.

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That doesn't mean that they didn't trust in Jesus as their Saviour nor that they didn't come to know him later.
That doesn't mean that they were ALL Freemasons.
That doesn't mean that they lied about the moon landings.

My post still stands.
You have not spoken to them or found out their beliefs, yet you have judged them to be "lying Freemasons."

You are a Christian and have faith in Jesus, yet you also have faith in something which is not Biblical, not important for salvation and cannot be proved. I think your flat earth belief is wrong, and completely unimportant - but I don't doubt that you are a Christian and love and trust Jesus.

 

[Strong in Him]

What else could protect earth from the waters above ? What else could divide the Heavens above from earth ?

If the Bible doesn't say this, your statement that the "Bible proves everything" is incorrect.

It's reading into the text and making an assumption; it's not proof.

 

[Apple Sky]

If the Bible doesn't say this, your statement that the "Bible proves everything" is incorrect.

It's reading into the text and making an assumption; it's not proof.

I don't understand why you don't believe there is a protective layer protecting earth ???

 

[Strong in Him]

I don't understand why you don't believe there is a protective layer protecting earth ???

I didn't say whether I believed it or not.

My point was that you made the statement that the Bible proves everything.
Yet when challenged, you cannot produce a verse which talks about a protective layer - your best effort is "well what else could it be?" You have also said that the Bible "points towards" a flat earth.
None of this is proof.
It might be considered, by some, to be evidence, but it's not proof. I have said before that in a court of law such evidence would be thrown out/dismissed.
The Bible doesn't prove these things because it is not a scientific textbook.

Remember, truth can stand up to investigation.
If people went to Antarctica, could only get a short way in and then discovered walls of ice, such an eyewitness account would be important. You could then present their eyewitness account as evidence to support your claims about Antarctica.
If people had flown to the moon and either witnessed the protective layer of the firmament, bounced off it, been unable to get through or lost their lives after their rocket smashed up - that could all be presented as clear evidence of a "protective layer" and "rockets not being able to get to the moon."
None of that has happened.
People have been to Antarctica and taken photos; David Attenborough did make a series about it. Many rockets/satellites/drones have reached the moon and taken photos, and so on. Several have landed ON the moon and men have walked on it.
Those are the facts - which can be easily checked. Saying "I haven't seen evidence", "I don't know anyone who went to Antarctica", "NASA are all liars" and so on does not negate, or disprove, those facts, it just demonstrates that you, personally, haven't checked them out and choose not to accept them.

 

[trophy33]

King James Bible
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth

Its what the Bible says, but its not what God did. There is no firmament. Bible is not perfect, you must deal with it.

If your faith fails because Bible is not perfect, then your faith was misplaced - in the Bible, instead of in God.

 

[trophy33]

When the Bible says God did something which he did do, I reckon it's you who needs to change your biblical perspective.

There is no firmament, we routinely fly to space. Therefore, you cannot use Bible in the way you try to use it.

No firmament, no flat earth, no Leviathan, no Rahab, no snow storage, no doors and windows for rain, no ladders to heaven, no mountains supporting the firmament, no emotions in kidneys etc. Biblical inspiration is not dictation.

Even gospels differ one from each other, they do not even agree perfectly regarding such basics like Our Father prayer. You simply need to change your view of the Bible, because your view does not work even inside the Bible itself. You are making it to be an idol or a religious fetish, which is sin.

 

[Apple Sky]

My point was that you made the statement that the Bible proves everything.

It does.

Yet when challenged, you cannot produce a verse which talks about a protective layer

Yes I have.

Remember, truth can stand up to investigation.

The truth does not fear investigation.

If people went to Antarctica, could only get a short way in and then discovered walls of ice, such an eyewitness account would be important.

There was an eyewitness 'Richard Byrd'.

If people had flown to the moon and either witnessed the protective layer of the firmament, bounced off it, been unable to get through or lost their lives after their rocket smashed up

Nobody has been to the moon.

Several have landed ON the moon and men have walked on it.

No they haven't.

 

[Apple Sky]

Its what the Bible says, but its not what God did. There is no firmament. Bible is not perfect, you must deal with it.

The Bible is perfect in every way, and it's what God did & it's you that must deal with it.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible is perfect in every way

This is an obvious idolatry (only God is perfect) and easily provable false. Just compare two gospels, side by side. Or two translations. Or two manuscripts. Whatever you wish, just do some work.

 

[Strong in Him]

It does.

And yet you can't produce verses which say "then God created a protective layer of the firmament" and "then God created a flat earth".
The best you can do is to say "The Bible points to it" and "what else could it be?"
That's not proof - if it ever went to court, it would be laughed out.

The truth does not fear investigation.

People have investigated and found the claim of flat earth to be false.
You won't accept it.

There was an eyewitness 'Richard Byrd'.

There were thousands of witnesses to the moon landings - plus the 12 astronauts themselves.
Why should we believe your one "witness" when you dismiss thousands of witnesses?

Nobody has been to the moon.

No they haven't.

No - "I refuse to accept that anyone has been to the moon because it would destroy my belief in a flat earth".
That is the correct statement.