Another look at the moon landing.

[Apple Sky]

Sorry, but why are you encouraging people on a Christian forum deliberately to Google somebody you describe as an occultist? Are you saying that because he was an occultist, rocketry must be suspect because he was also a rocket scientist? If so I would gently remind you that several of us were surprised when you quoted another occultist favourably (I don't remember all the details, but it had something to do with a "black sun", and I remember this person counted all religion as counterfeit.)

What I was quoting is somebody who was part of the moon faking who was part of an occultists group involving Alistor Crowley, surely you know he was ?

 

[Apple Sky]

When it comes to ridiculousness, this thread has to be top of the heap.

Why do you keep posting then ?

 

[Strong in Him]

What I was quoting is somebody who was part of the moon faking

There was no faking of the moon landings.
You, yourself, once believed in them and apologised to God for saying otherwise.
Christian astronauts - or astronauts who later became Christians - have given their testimonies of walking on the moon.
There are educated, knowledgeable scientists who are also Christians, and who may have worked on the space missions.

In contrast;
you have now decided you don't believe the moon landings.
You "can't get your head around science", but you denounce all those who can (and therefore know more than you) as liars.
You have made several contradictory statements, for which you have no answer.
By your own admission, you are addicted to conspiracy theories.

There's no problem with knowing who to believe.

who was part of an occultists group involving Alistor Crowley, surely you know he was ?

Why should any of us know who a certain occultist is?
We worship God and are not interested in the occult.

 

[David Lamb]

What I was quoting is somebody who was part of the moon faking who was part of an occultists group involving Alistor Crowley, surely you know he was ?

I'd never heard of Jack Parsons or Alistor Crowley until reading their names in your post. As I said, you have quoted occultists before in support of your beliefs about the moon landings and the earth's shape, so I wasn't sure if your mention of Parsons and Crowley was similar.

 

[Strong in Him]

Why do you keep posting then ?

Because you are making ridiculous statements which might mislead others.
Because I have a hope that one day you might realise how unchristian it is to deny and insult those who disagree with you. Not only that, but to tell God that you will trust him to give you the strength to believe a flat earth, then a few weeks later to go back on that - is giving him, and Christianity, a bad name.
Because sometimes I wonder if you have a problem with memory and understanding and I am trying to point that out to you. (Though if you have a problem with understanding, you may not understand that.)
Because you come across as someone who either does have this problem, or who is seriously deluded.

 

[Apple Sky]

Because sometimes I wonder if you have a problem with memory and understanding and I am trying to point that out to you. (Though if you have a problem with understanding, you may not understand that.)
Because you come across as someone who either does have this problem, or who is seriously deluded.

You reckon ?

 

[The Liturgist]

Why "zapped them up?" The problem with the belts for space travel, as I understand it, is that they are belts of radiation, not solid barriers. Unless properly protected, the delicate electronic equipment on board a spacecraft would be damaged by the Van Allen Belts.

Which can be shielded against, as your post notes.

 

[The Liturgist]

I'd never heard of Jack Parsons or Alistor Crowley until reading their names in your post. As I said, you have quoted occultists before in support of your beliefs about the moon landings and the earth's shape, so I wasn't sure if your mention of Parsons and Crowley was similar.

I had heard of Jack Parsons, because he was involved with the founder of Scientology, who ran off his wife following lewd behavior involving all three individuals at his house for purposes of some occult ritual, but he had nothing to do with the Apollo program, chiefly because he literally blew himself up in his garage experimenting with solid rocket fuel mixtures in 1952. He was very much into the occult, which is how he got ripped off by L Ron Hubbard.

Apollo used liquid fuels, chiefly liquid oxygen and hydrocarbons for the Saturn V, so we can say Jack Parsons was basically a madman and the most dangerously inept rocket scientist of all time, since experimenting with solid fuel or any propellants in your garage is considered in the aerospace industry to be … inadvisable.

 

[The Liturgist]

I don't know, but a Google search tells me: "Spacecraft are equipped with shielding materials to absorb and deflect radiation. Aluminum, for example, is effective against beta radiation, while multi-layered composites can further protect against other forms of radiation. "

Fun fact: alpha radiation can be stopped by human skin. The main danger with alpha particles, which are ionized helium atoms (two protons, two neutrons, no electrons), is from inhalation or ingestion. Alphas can shred your DNA and have no medical utility, unlike betas and gammas.

Gamma rays on the other hand require lead shielding to completely stop.

Neutron radiation can be stopped with a neutron poison like boron or cadmium.

 

[Strong in Him]

You reckon ?

Well you are making ridiculous statements which might mislead others. (Though hopefully they realise that nothing in the Conspiracy Theories section of the forum is to be taken seriously.)
It IS unchristian to insult and belittle those who disagree with you - particularly other Christians who belong to Jesus just as you do.
You do seem to have some sort of problem with understanding, because you continually fail to realise that the moon landings have nothing to do with salvation and we are not being deceived when we believe other Christians' eyewitness testimonies. You have posted YouTube clips which you say show something, they have been to show nothing of the kind and you don't seem to realise that this makes you look either careless in checking your sources or that you don't know what you are talking about. You also don't seem to realise that contradicting scientific statements, or evidence, while admitting that you can't get your head around science, is just plain foolish.
You don't seem to understand, realise or are willing to admit that apologising to God for not believing the moon landings, asking for his help for your new belief that "flat earth is a load of rubbish" and saying that it would be tough but that God would get you through it - then turning your back on that, insulting the astronauts and anyone who believes them, IS mocking God and gives Christianity a bad name.

If you DID have some problem with your memory and understanding, that would explain, and excuse, these statements.
If you DON'T then you are saying all these things on purpose - which is a terrible Christian witness.

You, however, obviously just find the whole thing funny.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well you are making ridiculous statements which might mislead others.

Like what ?

It IS unchristian to insult and belittle those who disagree with you - particularly other Christians who belong to Jesus just as you do.

You do realize that they can be insulting too ?

If you DID have some problem with your memory and understanding, that would explain, and excuse, these statements.

I've posted so much that I do have a tendency to forget what I've posted & can repeat but I do understand & believe in what I post.

I have repented to God for my past actions over the Charles Duke incident & how I find it impossible to believe his statement. If you watch the last video I posted you'll hear Bart saying how many astronauts have claimed to be Christians but sadly this was part & parcel of the job.

Buzz Aldrin got very angry with Bart & punched him to the ground, when all's Bart wanted him to do was place his hand on the Bible & swear that he'd been to the moon. If I'd been to the moon I would have no qualms about doing this, I'd be over the moon to do it (excuse the pun ).

I do realize how important salvation is & that the moon landings and the shape of the earth should not prioritize over this but we are touching on some very controversial subjects here.

 

[Apple Sky]

Which can be shielded against, as your post notes.

What's going oh here ? I thought they'd sorted all this in their Apollo 11 mission.
@3:29

https://rumble.com/v64bfj1-van-allen-radiation-belts-explained-part-part-9.html

 

[Strong in Him]

Like what ?

Like,
"the moon landings have been faked because NASA want to deceive us".

Seriously, people who have given their lives to studying science, decided to spend loads of money building rockets, having them blast off to somewhere and faking pictures of the moon just to say to us, "HA! Gotcha."?
So why have they never done that then? Why have there been no books/articles which said "this is how we fooled you all"? Why did the astronauts wives not divorce their husbands for claiming that they were on the moon, when they were probably filming a fake landing before going down the pub - laughing at all the money they were going to make? Why didn't the Russians - who were desperate to be first on the moon - ever investigate to see if the American claim stood up?

You do realize that they can be insulting too ?

I would imagine that any insults come from a place of exasperation at some of the daft statements you make. Like posting pictures which show houses upside down in Australia.
Either that, or showing you that being on the end of insults is not nice.

I have repented to God for my past actions over the Charles Duke incident & how I find it impossible to believe his statement.

The points is, a) you said sorry to God for doubting the moon landings - so you then said "sorry" to God for saying "sorry". b) you did believe his statement - actually you "hand on heart believed every word". c) actually, believing in the moon landings, or not, is not a sin so there is nothing to repent of. Publicly saying you will ask for God's help with something and then rejecting that and behaving as though it never happened, however, might well be a sin.

If you watch the last video I posted you'll hear Bart saying how many astronauts have claimed to be Christians but sadly this was part & parcel of the job.

But Charles Duke became a Christian AFTER he went to the moon.

Buzz Aldrin got very angry with Bart & punched him to the ground, when all's Bart wanted him to do was place his hand on the Bible & swear that he'd been to the moon. If I'd been to the moon I would have no qualms about doing this, I'd be over the moon to do it (excuse the pun ).

I wasn't talking about Buzz Aldrin - or not primarily anyway. I was talking about Charles Duke who gives talks about his time on the moon, how he later became a Christian and how the latter is far more important than the former.

I do realize how important salvation is & that the moon landings and the shape of the earth should not prioritize over this but we are touching on some very controversial subjects here.

Despite my many posts on this subject, it's not controversial. It's unimportant.
Believe that men landed on the moon, or not. Believe the earth is flat, spherical, triangular; who cares? The Gospel is the most important thing, and none of this is the Gospel.
What's controversial about the Gospel is whether Jesus was really God, whether God is really a Trinity, whether Jesus really rose from the dead, whether someone is saved if they keep on sinning, much of the detail in "end times" debates and other things that affect our life and salvation.
Whether or not someone walked on the moon is completely irrelevant to all of that.

 

[The Liturgist]

Buzz Aldrin got very angry with Bart & punched him to the ground, when all's Bart wanted him to do was place his hand on the Bible & swear that he'd been to the moon

The man was verbally assaulting Buzz Aldrin, who was engaging in a legitimate right to self-defense, particularly given that his family was present, and the invidual you refer to as “Bart” (I can’t remember his last name, which would be more appropriate) was clearly mentally ill, and posed a danger to Mr. Aldrin’s family and to other bystanders. Thus incapacitation was warranted.

 

[Apple Sky]

I wasn't talking about Buzz Aldrin - or not primarily anyway. I was talking about Charles Duke who gives talks about his time on the moon, how he later became a Christian and how the latter is far more important than the former.

I know you weren't, I was ........

Whether or not someone walked on the moon is completely irrelevant to all of that.

So why do you post here ?

 

[Apple Sky]

The man was verbally assaulting Buzz Aldrin, who was engaging in a legitimate right to self-defense, particularly given that his family was present, and the invidual you refer to as “Bart” (I can’t remember his last name, which would be more appropriate) was clearly mentally ill, and posed a danger to Mr. Aldrin’s family and to other bystanders. Thus incapacitation was warranted.

Utter Rubbish, watch the video. The abuse Bart got from the astronauts was terrible.

 

[Strong in Him]

I know you weren't, I was ........

The fact remains, Charles became a Christian after he went to the moon, so your point is irrelevant.
Becoming a Christian was not "part and parcel" of the mission or something he did because he had to.

So why do you post here ?

I've already answered this so I don't know why you're confused.

 

[Apple Sky]

The fact remains, Charles became a Christian after he went to the moon, so your point is irrelevant.
Becoming a Christian was not "part and parcel" of the mission or something he did because he had to.

Why did he have too ?
This explains it then, what Duke did was repent, good on him

 

[Apple Sky]

Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom (April 3, 1926 – January 27, 1967)

Why did Gus Grissom hang a lemon?

To begin with, Grissom and his team were expressing concerns over the AS-204 for MONTHS, particularly over the use of flammable materials in the cockpit. That's the entire reason why he hung a lemon on a simulator of the AS-204.

Astronauts Grissom, White, and Chaffee, who were working inside the closed Command Module, were asphyxiated. During the test, Grissom said, "How are we going to get to the Moon if we can't talk between two or three buildings," then shouted "fire!" The fire's ignition source was damaged wiring.

Complainers never get far where NASA 's concerned

 

[Strong in Him]

Why did he have too ?

He didn't have to.
I was referring to your post where you quoted someone as saying that telling NASA you were a Christians was "part and parcel" of the experience. That suggested that astronauts said they were Christians whether they were or not

This explains it then, what Duke did was repent, good on him

Don't be daft.
a) He had nothing to repent of, b) he still gives talks about his walk on the moon - it's just that he talks about his walk with Jesus also.