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Another look at the moon landing.

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What are the 'right' answers, in your highly educated opinion?

My first question was, How did they get through these so called dangerous Van Allen Belts ?


My second question was ' How did they get the moon buggy's there ?

OK you said flat pack, but shouldn't the buggy have lifted off the ground due to there being no atmosphere ? And shouldn't the tyres have imploded ?

My fifth question was 'Why were there no stars ?'

The day the astronauts lied.


My sixth question was 'Why was psalm 19:1 quoted on Wernher von Braun head stone ?' I guess we'll never know but it does make one think.
 
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You’ve got to stop accusing people of lying. It’s morally wrong and it is not necessary,

I'm not accusing him of lying, I just said he was wrong.
 
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And shouldn't the tyres have imploded ?


I'm only going to answer this one question to show you how you don't investigate.

A little bit of research would have discovered explanations and pictures like this one:




The moon buggy's tyres were wire mesh. They were not rubber nor did they hold any air. There was nothing to implode or explode.
 
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But it makes no difference. The wall of ignorance is impenetrable. It must be a firmament.
It’s because some do not want to believe the truth. They want to believe their personal interpretations to fit. There are no explanations for conspiracy theorists.
 
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So what stopped it from floating up ?
As I said, I'm only answering the one question, because it proves beyond doubt that you don't investigate. If you couldn't figure out that easily answered question for yourself, then it's not worth my time answering any more.

All of these moon landing conspiracy theory questions have been answered many times and are easily found on the internet. And @prodromos gave you the time and respect to answer some, yet you just dismissed them out of hand without the slightest bit of investigation beyond your favourite conspiracy theorists.
 
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Fair enough.
 
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For those with open minds, here is some material to ponder:



The above site includes an explanation about the Van Allen belts.



Additionally, I personally knew and spent time with Jules Pourier, a brother in Christ well-known and respected in my church. He was an electrical engineer and designed the radar alitmeter for the lunar module. (A regular altimeter wouldn't work because it depends on atmospheric pressure.) He could explain how it worked in detail, though it was a bit over my head, no pun intended. NASA didn't like his design because it weighed too much, but the competing companies' units couldn't meet the specifications, so they had to use it.

Even if the moon buggy had had inflatable tires it would not have floated away. Gravity is what holds things down, not atmospheric pressure. For something to float it has to be inflated with something less dense than the atmosphere. And since there is no atmosphere on the moon, the tires would have had to have been inflated with something less dense than nothing.

As Christians, we have a responsibility to utter truth, not lies. (Rev. 21:8, 27, etc.) If the world can't trust what we say about the moon in the late 1960s, why should they trust what we say about a God-man who rose from the dead 2000 years ago?

For believers feeling led to attack fakery, may I suggest that they start in-house. Investigate some of the stuff in the Christian community, such as claims of latter-day miracles, arguments of Christian apologists, historical revision, bogus statistics, health practices/products, false teaching, and Lord knows what else. A bunch of dumb sheep were giving money by the boatload to Peter Popoff. Why did it take a godless man like James Randi to expose him? Why aren't we policing our own ranks a little better?

As for the moon, God put it there to light up the night (Gen 1:14-18). May I suggest that we invite our good spouses to take a hand-holding walk under it with us some night, and maybe we'll forget about all these conspiracy theories.
 
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So what stopped it from floating up ?
OK you said flat pack, but shouldn't the buggy have lifted off the ground due to there being no atmosphere ? And shouldn't the tyres have imploded ?

Firstly, the atmosphere does not hold us down onto the surface. I don’t understand why you would think that, but suffice it to say, thats not what it does.

Although the moon actually does have a very very thin atmosphere, but not enough to enable winged aircraft of any reasonable size or weight to take flight.

Now, this all being said, why do you think the tires might implode? Did you mean explode perhaps?
 
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The day the astronauts lied.

That’s what I was referring to - ypu didn’t accuse prodromos of lying, but you comtinue to needlessly accuse astronauts of lying despite the fact many of them, including Buzz Aldrin, were Christians, and also despite the fact that you don’t even need to do it to maintain your belief in a flat or stationary Earth.

Falsely accusing someone of lying is calumny. It is morally dangerous.
 
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If you don't believe they are all fairy tale tellers take a look at this

 
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My first question was, How did they get through these so called dangerous Van Allen Belts ?

This, from the person who goes on and on claiming that NASA is lying all the time. Suddenly, you want us to trust them? However if you actually paid attention to the video you linked then you would have understood that the purpose of this flight was to test the effectiveness of their shielding, as it seems that the trajectory planned for the Orion mission may be taking a direct route through the Van Allen Belts instead of the path taken by the Apollo missions which only exposed the astronauts to the inner belt for 15 minutes and the outer, weaker belt for 2 hours, culminating in less than 1% of a fatal dose.
One big difference between the Apollo spacecraft and modern spacecraft is the robustness of the electronics. The Apollo computers were built out of discrete components, Individual transistors and diodes soldered into tiny circuit boards which were assembled into a computer about the size of carry-on luggage. The computer memory was magnetic core memory which is extremely robust. Modern computers are basically everything on a single chip and are much more susceptible to corruption by high energy particles such as found in the Van Allen Belts
My second question was ' How did they get the moon buggy's there ?

OK you said flat pack, but shouldn't the buggy have lifted off the ground due to there being no atmosphere ? And shouldn't the tyres have imploded ?
Tell me you know absolutely nothing about physics without telling me you know absolutely nothing about physics.
My fifth question was 'Why were there no stars ?'

The day the astronauts lied.

Where did they lie? The stars are very faint and can only be seen at night when our eye's iris is wide open. They were on the side of the moon facing the sun the whole time they were there. Collins, who was in the command module orbiting the moon, would have been able to see stars when the command module was in the moon's shadow, but he was likely focused on the mission and not spending his time looking out the window.
 
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If you don't believe they are all fairy tale tellers take a look at this

Yes, we all know Flat Earth Dave is a teller of fairy tales
 
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No, it's Flat Earth Dave.

No NASA & they are really good at it, so good in fact they had the whole world fooled, but not anymore. Of course there are still a few gullible believers.
 
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No NASA & they are really good at it, so good in fact they had the whole world fooled, but not anymore. Of course there are still a few gullible believers.

Once again, that’s calumny.
 
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