another forgery from EVOS

[kenneth558]

Arikay, that is a most excellent request!!!!!

What will it take?

 

[Jet Black]

I suggest something that cannot come about by unintelligent processes.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

When I quoted Crick I expected the better of you - that you would think for two moments instead of only a half, so as to realize that Crick said we are not designed. Instead of going back to reread the post, your over-confidence got the better of you

Then why did you tell Arikay to "take it up with Crick"?

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Arikay]

What Jet said.

To save trouble, this would exclude,
-IC systems.
-"it just looks to complex to not be inteligently designed."
-Evolution cant "increase complexity" so it must be inteligently designed.

As these have been pretty much refuted here.

Arikay, that is a most excellent request!!!!!

What will it take?

 

[kenneth558]

I suggest something that cannot come about by unintelligent processes.

Give me an example, please. IOW, don't just tell me what DOESN'T qualify, tell me what DOES.

The reason I'm nailing you on this is because you won't be able to think of ANYTHING that will qualify. A real-life example, that is. Is it that you have no design experience? Or is it that all your designs have lacked....well, let's just see if you can give an example.

 

[Jet Black]

Give me an example, please. IOW, don't just tell me what DOESN'T qualify, tell me what DOES.

The reason I'm nailing you on this is because you won't be able to think of ANYTHING that will qualify. A real-life example, that is. Is it that you have no design experience? Or is it that all your designs have lacked....well, let's just see if you can give an example.

I am not the one saying that things can only be designed by an intelligent process. In fact I see the whole argument as a massive contradiction:

Certain objects must be designed by an intelligent designer, because they are too complex to come about via natural, algorthmic processes. There are two major flaws in this argument: one is that even intelligence designs things by algorithmic processes, and two is that intelligence is well, complicated, and hence must be designed, since complex objects can only come about by being designed by an intelligent designer (repeat ad infinitum)

 

[Arikay]

Its not for us to think up evidence, its for the person making the claim. So far it appears you are the one making the claim.

 

[LorentzHA]

Were we designed or not? Crick says "NO". The evidence says "YES". Ya'll don't seem to know who to agree with. Neither do my professors. That is one of many elements of total confusion amongst evolutionists that make the evolution topic non-resolvable in discussions like this.

Really? What is the evidence of a designer. I would be very interested in seeing it!

 

[LorentzHA]

What will it take?

Peer reviewed science...REAL science, not desperate wishing and twistings.

 

[kenneth558]

You guys are sad, real sad.

In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.

Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. And that is even assuming humans have as many offspring as fruit flies!!!!! Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?

LorentzHA, you would do well to learn some design skills. Computer programming is one of the easiest forms I know of. I've also got some electronics circuitry design in my background. Some people design buildings, vehicles, or manufacturing processes. Any and all of these design fields MUST ABSOLUTELY reckon with factors such as stability (which is basically overcoming entropy for as long as possible).

 

[armed2010]

You guys are sad, real sad.

In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.

Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?

Hes discovered our lie!! Quickly, deploy the Evil Atheist Conspiracy agents!!!

 

[kenneth558]

It was never hidden....

 

[Arikay]

Before you call us sad might I recomend you pay attention more in class. Learn about what speciation is, How it happens and why. Maybe then you will realize that speciation is a rather arbitrary thing when it comes to time and that you can't use math to guess at how long it will take something to speciate, as there are many factors and they all vary.

BTW, still waiting for that evidence.

You guys are sad, real sad.

In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.

Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. And that is even assuming humans have as many offspring as fruit flies!!!!! Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?

LorentzHA, you would do well to learn some design skills. Computer programming is one of the easiest forms I know of. I've also got some electronics circuitry design in my background. Some people design buildings, vehicles, or manufacturing processes. Any and all of these design fields MUST ABSOLUTELY reckon with factors such as stability (which is basically overcoming entropy for as long as possible).

 

[kenneth558]

Arikay, the vast scientific logic behind your reply blows me away. Will I be the first to tell you that you are a lost cause?

 

[Ishmael Borg]

You guys are sad, real sad.

In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.

The entire insect order only diverged from class arthropoda 300-350mya. Your professor is wrong (don't be too hard on her, professors are only human too.).

Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. And that is even assuming humans have as many offspring as fruit flies!!!!! Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?

LorentzHA, you would do well to learn some design skills. Computer programming is one of the easiest forms I know of. I've also got some electronics circuitry design in my background. Some people design buildings, vehicles, or manufacturing processes. Any and all of these design fields MUST ABSOLUTELY reckon with factors such as stability (which is basically overcoming entropy for as long as possible).

So why don't buildings collapse as they're being built? Do they temporarily defy the 2nd law of Thermodynamics and finally succumb?

 

[kenneth558]

Ishmael Borg, you should learn some design skills, too. Happy programming.

 

[Ishmael Borg]

I screwed up my reply to kenneth558:

The entire insect order only diverged from class arthropoda 300-350mya. Your professor is wrong (don't be too hard on her, professors are only human too.).

 

[kenneth558]

The field of science is only human. BTW, she knows fruit flies.

 

[Ishmael Borg]

Ishmael Borg, you should learn some design skills, too. Happy programming.

I'm not a programmer... just a participant in a lively online discussion. You may benefit from looking at multiple sources, and making your mind up from there. Happy path to knowledge!

 

[Arikay]

and yet, we see a bad understanding of speciation and lack of evidence for this inteligent designer.

Wether a species speciates or not, relies mainly on its environment, how much the environment is pushing on the species and if a section of the species because seperate from another. All things that cant be calculated without knowing the environment and the conditions. Evolution does not work at a constant rate, thus an equation that says it does, will often fail.

Arikay, the vast scientific logic behind your reply blows me away. Will I be the first to tell you that you are a lost cause?