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Diamond72

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You made a proclamation regarding Hillary.
All I was referring to was that Hillary has been accused of taking donations to her fund to buy political favors. This is how the system works. You should know that - it is called payola. This is why power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I would not want to be an elected official to have to deal with the temptation of bribes and all the other things that go with a position of power.

Remember Matt Lauer told a woman that if she had sex with him he would get her a nice paying job. He did not keep his part of the bargain and ended up getting fired from a really nice job. Of course, we did not see any of the results of the investigation and there was no trial. Bill Clinton had a lot of sex scandals over the years also. Even it was rumored that he was sleeping with students when he was a professor at the university.

If people do not realize this sort of stuff is going on, then they need to wake up and join us in the real world.
 
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What piece of land has not been stolen over and over?
No one stole any land. There were treaties with the Native American Indians. The problem was the French were trading guns and whiskey to the Indians for furs. There was no end to the problems this caused. This is why we chased the French all the way to New Orleans and Quebec. There was no further we could chase them away.

There was a time you had to carry alcohol and meat to buy them off if you ran into an Indian. Is that the sort of America you had in mind? Yes, we fought for the land and we sent them on their way. They were not strong or powerful enough to hold onto the land so they lost it to people who were willing to pay taxes on it.

The real issue has to do with food producers taking over the land of food gathering. If they are fighting with bows, arrows and spears - they really do not stand a chance against guns.

I actually know two pure native Americans. One was a nurse who my wife worked for. The other was a model that I photographed quite a bit. I have photos of both of them around here somewhere if they did not get corrupted. I have not seen them for a while. For the most part, they were assimilated and became a part of the new government. With all the same opportunities that everyone else has.

Burt Reynolds when he was first starting out played a half-breed that was a regular on gunsmoke. It was quite an interesting character because he was supposed to be a trained Indian warrior so he knew all of their tricks. He went on to bigger and better things as they were offering him lead roles.
 
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No one stole any land. There were treaties with the Native American Indians. The problem was the French were trading guns and whiskey to the Indians for furs. There was no end to the problems this caused. This is why we chased the French all the way to New Orleans and Quebec. There was no further we could chase them away.

There was a time you had to carry alcohol and meat to buy them off if you ran into an Indian. Is that the sort of America you had in mind? Yes, we fought for the land and we sent them on their way. They were not strong or powerful enough to hold onto the land so they lost it to people who were willing to pay taxes on it.

The real issue has to do with food producers taking over the land of food gathering. If they are fighting with bows, arrows and spears - they really do not stand a chance against guns.

I actually know two pure native Americans. One was a nurse who my wife worked for. The other was a model that I photographed quite a bit. I have photos of both of them around here somewhere if they did not get corrupted. I have not seen them for a while. For the most part, they were assimilated and became a part of the new government. With all the same opportunities that everyone else has.

Burt Reynolds when he was first starting out played a half-breed that was a regular on gunsmoke. It was quite an interesting character because he was supposed to be a trained Indian warrior so he knew all of their tricks. He went on to bigger and better things as they were offering him lead roles.
What an excuse.
 
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What an excuse.
Women and children getting raped, killed and sold into slavery is an excuse? I guess your revisionism can take on any truth and shred it. No one has any issue with Native American Citizens. We do have an issue with revisionists that want to rewrite history for their own convenience and their own agenda.

If you choose to go that route you better come up with some DNA to establish who these "real Americans" are that you think has a right to the land. Land that they do not believe anyone has the right to own.

The Lyrics of Pocohanas in the Disney movie add an interesting perspective to this discussion.

You think I'm an ignorant savage
And you've been so many places
I guess it must be so
But still I cannot see
If the savage one is me
How can there be so much that you don't know
You don't know

You think you own whatever land you land on
The earth is just a dead thing you can claim
But I know every rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, has a name

You think the only people who are people
Are the people who look and think like you
But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
You'll learn things you never knew you never knew

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountains
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind

Come run the hidden pine trails of the forest
Come taste the sun-sweet berries of the earth
Come roll in all the riches all around you
And for once never wonder what they're worth

The rainstorm and the river are my brothers
The heron and the otter are my friends
And we are all connected to each other
In a circle, in a hoop that never ends

How high will the sycamore grow
If you cut it down, then you'll never know
And you'll never hear the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
For whether we are white or copper-skinned
We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains
We need to paint with all the colors of the wind

You can own the earth and still
All you'll own is earth until
You can paint with all the colors of the wind
 
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Women and children getting raped, killed and sold into slavery is an excuse? I guess your revisionism can take on any truth and shred it. No one has any issue with Native American Citizens. We do have an issue with revisionists that want to rewrite history for their own convenience and their own agenda.

If you choose to go that route you better come up with some DNA to establish who these "real Americans" are that you think has a right to the land. Land that they do not believe anyone has the right to own.

The Lyrics of Pocohanas in the Disney movie add an interesting perspective to this discussion.

You think I'm an ignorant savage
And you've been so many places
I guess it must be so
But still I cannot see
If the savage one is me
How can there be so much that you don't know
You don't know

You think you own whatever land you land on
The earth is just a dead thing you can claim
But I know every rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, has a name

You think the only people who are people
Are the people who look and think like you
But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
You'll learn things you never knew you never knew

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountains
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind

Come run the hidden pine trails of the forest
Come taste the sun-sweet berries of the earth
Come roll in all the riches all around you
And for once never wonder what they're worth

The rainstorm and the river are my brothers
The heron and the otter are my friends
And we are all connected to each other
In a circle, in a hoop that never ends

How high will the sycamore grow
If you cut it down, then you'll never know
And you'll never hear the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
For whether we are white or copper-skinned
We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains
We need to paint with all the colors of the wind

You can own the earth and still
All you'll own is earth until
You can paint with all the colors of the wind
Not enough words in the universe to
make it other than theft.
 
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Seriously?
Yes. Seriously. How is land stolen? What does that look like. Does it differ from land conquest or do you consider those two terms to be interchangeable. Can land actually be owned? If it can, how does one discern which parties have the legitimate claim to ownership of it?
 
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Yes. Seriously. How is land stolen? What does that look like. Does it differ from land conquest or do you consider those two terms to be interchangeable. Can land actually be owned? If it can, how does one discern which parties have the legitimate claim to ownership of it?
Doesnt sound serious
 
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No one stole any land. There were treaties with the Native American Indians.
Which were (and still are) broken at the first convenient opportunity.
 
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Which were (and still are) broken at the first convenient opportunity.
The treaties tended to be dishonest in the first place, like the unequal treaties imposed on China with military force by the same countries that overpowered the native americans.

Manhattan was not sold. The palefaces (roundeyes, foreign devils).
we're granted temporary limited usage.

William Penn was given use of the land he could walk across in a day. He brought in top runners.

Etcetcetc. Its theft .Semantics don't change anything except for those who just prefer a nice fantasy

Other than Iceland is doubtful that anywhere else on earth has not changed hands many times by way of
force and violence.
 
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Other than Iceland is doubtful that anywhere else on earth has not changed hands many times by way of
force and violence.
Animals are territorial yes and like to test boundaries. Sometimes territory is given back like with Hong Kong. Has it been taken over since?
 
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