Another Abortion Question

[drich0150]

It is a bit confusing in Australia. This link should help:
Abortion in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't quite know what you're getting at. Of course you can think what you want about abortion, but is that solely because of the fact you are Christian?

Despite what christianity says i never bought into the whole reidentification of unborn baby as simple fetus. "Fetus" maybe a clinical term but in that context it is being used by the abortion industry it becomes a marketing term to allow people to make it more clinical, or more palatable to Kill A BABY.

If it is illegal to kill a new born one should not be able to kill a baby younger than that.

Not a Christian thing as it is a basic Human thing.

 

[mulimulix]

Please educate yourself, as this is unspeakably naive. It does explain your position though.



False dilemma. Do you know the stats on adoption in this Country? If all the perfectly capable couples wanting to adopt had all the kids they wanted, then we'd have a very different situation on our hands and your argument here might have some merit. As it is, it doesn't.



1) Not a similar vein - AT ALL.

2) While I do not understand this personally, I do know parents of disabled children who find great love in the endeavor.

3) I'm not going to have any unborn children, and so I'm not going to entertain that hypothetical. My opinion on this doesn't mean squat anyway, nor does this obscure question deal with the real issue.

Ok, I made this thread telling myself not to get into an argument. It's funny how EVERY thread I make ends up in an argument one way or another. I really don't want to get into one with you, not because I'm resisting admitting defeat, but because I know I won't be able to convince you otherwise, just as you won't convince me otherwise. I hope you understand.

Despite what christianity says i never bought into the whole reidentification of unborn baby as simple fetus. "Fetus" maybe a clinical term but in that context it is being used by the abortion industry it becomes a marketing term to allow people to make it more clinical, or more palatable to Kill A BABY.

If it is illegal to kill a new born one should not be able to kill a baby younger than that.

Not a Christian thing as it is a basic Human thing.

Same as above, however I strongly disagree with your position.

I got what I wanted from the answers to my original question. Thanks

 

[MattRose]

So then, by your own logic, people who want to lynch blacks should be allowed to, but people who don't want to just shouldn't engage in it.

Should I be able to lynch a black (sheesh this logic stream is really getting ridiculous: lynching blacks as a measurement system?) if that black has a 99% chance of killing my wife? I'm comparing this to abortion when the mother's life is in danger.

I can't continue a discussion where I'm using lynching like this. You need to come up with a less unlikely comparision.

 

[MattRose]

When Monty Python wrote "every sperm is sacred," at least they knew it was a joke.

Artificial contraception is considered a mortal sin by catholics. Monty Python were parodying what the church actually teaches, which isn't the same thing as "at least they knew it was a joke." If you're catholic then yes, every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

I think that everyone who is pro-life should also abide by the catholic church's teaching about sex, masturbation, and artifical conception... not so much fun over there now is it? Well, at least you can drink wine with your dinner.

 

[razeontherock]

Ok, I made this thread telling myself not to get into an argument. It's funny how EVERY thread I make ends up in an argument one way or another. I really don't want to get into one with you, not because I'm resisting admitting defeat, but because I know I won't be able to convince you otherwise, just as you won't convince me otherwise. I hope you understand.

What I understand is you have NEVER watched available film footage of what happens during an abortion. You can see your "unconscious fruit" engaged in the fight of it's life, struggling in agony, and mercilessly and brutally murdered.

You also see a once Blessed Nation enduring the harshest Judgment G-d ever gives, which is being left to our own devices, with wicked leadership.

 

[razeontherock]

Should I be able to lynch a black (sheesh this logic stream is really getting ridiculous: lynching blacks as a measurement system?) if that black has a 99% chance of killing my wife? I'm comparing this to abortion when the mother's life is in danger.

I can't continue a discussion where I'm using lynching like this. You need to come up with a less unlikely comparision.

I don't think anybody is advocating making abortion illegal in situations where the Mother's life is endangered; classic strawman.

The comparison is appropriately heinous; brutal murder of the innocent is never pretty! I would go so far as to say that lynching is far more humane - but still should obviously not be tolerated.

 

[Spirko]

Should I be able to lynch a black (sheesh this logic stream is really getting ridiculous: lynching blacks as a measurement system?) if that black has a 99% chance of killing my wife? I'm comparing this to abortion when the mother's life is in danger.

So are you saying that murder is acceptable in some cases?

I can't continue a discussion where I'm using lynching like this. You need to come up with a less unlikely comparision.

It isn't the likelihood of the comparison, it's the similarity of the comparison.

In both cases, innocent people are being killed.

 

[razeontherock]

Artificial contraception is considered a mortal sin by catholics. Monty Python were parodying what the church actually teaches, which isn't the same thing as "at least they knew it was a joke."

Yes it IS the same thing as "at least they knew it was a joke." That's what parody IS

Awfully strange for an atheist to advocate an RC-ism, that even most RC's scoff at.

 

[MattRose]

I don't think anybody is advocating making abortion illegal in situations where the Mother's life is endangered; classic strawman.

Not a strawman at all. The person I was responding to might not want to allow abortion under any circumstance. I must wait patiently for his response.

The comparison is appropriately heinous; brutal murder of the innocent is never pretty! I would go so far as to say that lynching is far more humane - but still should obviously not be tolerated.

Lynching is the innocent (usually) killing of an adult. The type of abortion I'm willing to discuss is the removal of a non-viable fetus. I'm not prepared to discuss late term abortions as I may agree with you on that one.

The good news is that I think we are within 2 or 3 posts of resolving this abortion issue once and for all.

 

[Spirko]

Lynching is the innocent (usually) killing of an adult. The type of abortion I'm willing to discuss is the removal of a non-viable fetus.

How does "non-viable" make killing the baby any better? By that logic, do you believe it's OK to lynch a black person with terminal cancer? Or why not go the Peter Singer route and say that it's OK to kill any child with a life threatening illness?

I'm not prepared to discuss late term abortions as I may agree with you on that one.

Why? Why would it be OK to kill a baby in one circumstance, but not another?

 

[MattRose]

Yes it IS the same thing as "at least they knew it was a joke." That's what parody IS

A joke doesn't have to have anything truthful behind it. As in the classic joke "There were these 3 christians who don't walk into a bar..."
Monty Python were poking fun at the catholic church's actual position on a social issue. When you originally said... Sheesh you got me doing it again! I can't refute every thing said on here...

 

[razeontherock]

The type of abortion I'm willing to discuss is the removal of a non-viable fetus.

Well that is also a moving goalpost. What is now viable with modern care would never have survived even 20 years ago. It's good to find common ground, but this is a horribly difficult issue!

 

[razeontherock]

Monty Python were poking fun at the catholic church's actual position on a social issue.

Yes, but the OP stated other people should follow RC on their every sperm is sacred bit. I find that a really odd position for an atheist.

 

[If Not For Grace]

then why not keep it legal and the people who want to abort a baby can use it and the people who are against it don't have to.

because it's a Baby, not a choice. The choice (usually) is in having sex. Why does no one ever consider adoption. If it's not a baby; you are not pregnant.

EVEN in cases of rape (anybody wonder where the black/hebrew race would be today if rape were justification for abortion). It's just wrong, just like slavery was wrong. If you have done it, you can be forgiven, but every girl I know who did it--shed many a tear, over it later ("the baby would have been 21" today or" I would have had one starting school this year"). It's a hard thing to live w/later...think about that. Even if you don't want a child, give it a chance.....PLEASE

PS- I was adpoted

 

[razeontherock]

If it's not a baby; you are not pregnant.

Why have I never seen that before?


And +1,000,000 on the FACT that would-have-been Mothers who chose to abort agonize over every would-have-been birthday. I'd love to see the pro-murder side speculate as to why that is ...

 

[solarwave]

To all: Is masturbation or lack of unprotected sex murder?

because it's a Baby, not a choice. The choice (usually) is in having sex. Why does no one ever consider adoption. If it's not a baby; you are not pregnant.

People may consider adoption.

EVEN in cases of rape (anybody wonder where the black/hebrew race would be today if rape were justification for abortion). It's just wrong, just like slavery was wrong. If you have done it, you can be forgiven, but every girl I know who did it--shed many a tear, over it later ("the baby would have been 21" today or" I would have had one starting school this year"). It's a hard thing to live w/later...think about that. Even if you don't want a child, give it a chance.....PLEASE

Is it also right to think of all the birthdays of all the potential children that could have been born if people weren't so selfish and had sex without protection as many times as possible reguardless of the sacrifice required?

By the way I know what I just said might sound very sarcastic, but I am making a genuine point.

 

[mulimulix]

Yes, but the OP stated other people should follow RC on their every sperm is sacred bit. I find that a really odd position for an atheist.

No, no. What I was saying is that if you think aborting a fetus is murder, then every time you have sex, you should think you have just murdered millions of unborn children, as each sperm has an equal chance of becoming a child

 

[razeontherock]

No, no. What I was saying is that if you think aborting a fetus is murder, then every time you have sex, you should think you have just murdered millions of unborn children, as each sperm has an equal chance of becoming a child

No, it really doesn't. There are no million-tuplets. We've already covered this.

 

[Spirko]

No, no. What I was saying is that if you think aborting a fetus is murder, then every time you have sex, you should think you have just murdered millions of unborn children, as each sperm has an equal chance of becoming a child

But you do understand the difference between a sperm that does not meet an unfertilized egg and a baby, right?

 

[razeontherock]

He doesn't even understand the difference between a baby and fruit!