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HephzibahBenJudah

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And that's precisely my problem with it.

Why hold to the foreshadowing symbol of Christ, when Christ has come in the flesh?
That just went right over your head didn't it bless your heart....

Jesus didn't do away with the law He fulfilled the law and the prophets and if the Holy Spirit directs a person to anoint an object or location today...do we so no I don't have to do that because Jesus took care of it for me???

I think NOT. Those that are led by the Holy Spirit are the sons and daughters of God.

If the Holy Spirit tells you to do something in the OT do it...Mary the mother of Jesus said it best...whatever He tells you to do ...do it!
 
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It sounds like your husband and his mother have started to rely on rituals to defend them from evil spirits rather that trusting God.
It won't ever work, but that's where that kind of teaching leads to. Its really sad because there is no rest and no peace.
I don't reckon they'll believe you if you start trying to tell them they're wrong, because they will probably say something along the lines of 'You're not called into this sort of ministry' or something similar.
The only thing I can suggest, is to pray that God will bring them out the other side of this dark place and show Jesus is their strong deliverer, not what you annoint or whether your prayers 'covered' everything.
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I agree. The devil must laugh at our symbolic gestures like anointing things with Wesson oil (or maybe Quaker State) to ward of evil spirits, or marching around a building, or even shouting "power" (ie., magic) words to expel demons. What’s the difference in that and in pagans using a talisman or charm to do the same thing?

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IN the OT they did it as symbolism of the result of what Jesus did in the NT.
I say do both the OT and the NT...knowing that we who are IN Christ Jesus and His words abide in us, have nothing to fear...praying for the body of Christ that they may KNOW the love of God which leads mankind to repentance and that our love might be perfected; because perfect love casts out all fear.

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This is a little difficult to teach scripturally, so I don't teach it. But I believe that the still, small voice of God isn't so still and small without the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit. When we speak in the Spirit, I believe it is His voice that the enemy hears.

Adam and Eve fled from the voice or qowl of the Lord after the fall. They could no longer walk with Him in the ruwach or spirit of the day, and I believe that the voice they heard terrified them so that they fled from him.

Qowl is most often renedered as 'voice' but this word appears several times either as or associated with 'thunder'.

The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook. Psalm 77:18

The voice of God terrified the children of Israel in the wilderness so much so that they fled in a mad panic...neither they nor Adam and Eve had the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit.

But when we see Elijah hiding in a cave from Jezebel, he heard the voice of God. It wasn't in the wind or the earthquake or the fire; to Elijah who had the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit...it was a still, small voice.

So...all that said, I believe that when we speak in the Spirit today...the demons do not hear this "still small voice". I think they hear the thunder of His voice. I don't believe WE have to shout at the devil, I believe the voice of God does that through us.

Its a little like the movie, Lion King. When Symba was little, he opened his mouth to "meow" at the hyenas. But what they heard was the voice of Mufasa behind him...and it scared the spit out of 'em.

I believe that anointing doorposts with oil or any other ritualistic exercise can be done only as a representation of the spiritual truth within ones life. If that spiritual truth isn't evident, the ritual is empty.

When we see demons running away with little wet spots in their britches, it wasn't the oil on the door that did it...

At Your rebuke they fled; at the voice of Your thunder they hastened away. Psalm 104:7
 
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Well I don't know who Mike Warnke is but I guess it doesn't matter.

The oil is a symbol of the blood. It can be any kind of oil-cooking oil, perfumes, coconut oil, motor oil, you name it, it can anoint something. It puts up a barrier and the demons and evil spirits pass right on over the place just as the Angel of Death passed over the doorposts that had blood...which is precisely WHY I say that I feel like the blood of Jesus isn't enough in this situation...which is totally wrong. Sure, if the Holy Spirit urges you to anoint something, by all means...go ahead. But to make it a daily almost ritual, where if you don't do it it's like the end of the world, that's a little too far. And, I'll never anoint objects in my home to keep the demons out. I believe demons and evil spirits are real, very real, more real than most would admit, but I also believe that Scripture backs up itself, and I honestly don't see taking one verse or one passage and using it to form a doctrine. The Bible parallels itself in so many ways...it speaks about certain issues in many many different ways...demons and evil spirits included. Not once do I see anointing doorposts with oil, or anything else, after Jesus came. His all atoning blood washed everything away and made it ALL new..."old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

That doesn't mean we don't have junk to deal with in our lives. We'll forever be cleaning out the junk. We'll always have something to work at. That doesn't mean we'll never get attacked...it doesn't mean we won't slip and fall...it doesn't mean spirits and demons can't harrass you...those things are REAL and are part of the Christian's walk with God. But to go as far as demeaning the blood by putting oil on your house as a symbol of blood is just too much. I can't handle it. It's not Scriptural, it's not right. The blood of Jesus is THE BLOOD, the blood by which we obtain peace, everlasting life, redemption, forgiveness, the privelege and boldness to come before the most Holy and Righteous beings, sanctification...the list goes on. There was no need and IS NO NEED for the blood of any thing/one else AFTER Jesus died and rose again. It cleared the slate...and a million bulls and goats rejoiced that day... :) Just kidding lol...but seriously, there is no need for animal's blood OR oil to obtain power against demons and evil spirits because Jesus Blood and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, have provided a way to deal with it. And it's not by putting oil on the door.

SOMEONE...who believes in anointing your doors and windows...show me in the scriptures explicitely where it says to do this. Then I'll do it, but it's GOT to line up with the entire Bible.
 
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And, I'll never anoint objects in my home to keep the demons out.

I've also learned to never say never because what you say you will never do...God has a way of proving that statement wrong.
 
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Well the only time I'd ever do it is if God himself were to tell me or show me that it was right. I don't think it's harmful to anoint things but I also don't see the point and I feel that it's unscriptural, therefore I will NOT do it unless God tells me to do so. I just can't allow myself to do something that is not in the Scriptures when it comes to foundational spiritual issues.
 
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It sounds like your husband and his mother have started to rely on rituals to defend them from evil spirits rather that trusting God.
It won't ever work, but that's where that kind of teaching leads to. Its really sad because there is no rest and no peace.
I don't reckon they'll believe you if you start trying to tell them they're wrong, because they will probably say something along the lines of 'You're not called into this sort of ministry' or something similar.
The only thing I can suggest, is to pray that God will bring them out the other side of this dark place and show Jesus is their strong deliverer, not what you annoint or whether your prayers 'covered' everything.
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I agree. This concept is O.K. at the start since we have dominion over demonic spirits, this is showing them not to enter the area that is anointed with oil. The problem is in the repeated applications. I mean are we taking dominion or practicing a ritual?

Like someone said earlier today, we can be right and still be wrong.

Pray that HS will show DH the right way!
 
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Hello There:wave:

Is the idea that the demons cant stand the smell of olive oil?

I often wondered, having been through 100s of sermons on all sorts of nonsense {in the church I just left}, delivering yourself from demons, Positive mental attitude etc if all this is not taking the focus away from Jesus and the gospel?

We were called to share the good news about Jesus, not the good news about demons.
That last line is soooo true. A church that I was an intern at focused mainly on demon's instead of God and if you weren't feeling oppressed something was wrong. I do have one question though, are you saying that you disagree with positive thinking?
 
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I read "He came to set the captives free" ... supernaturally stopping bullets and sexual orgies with the devil... another Mike Warnke I'd say.

Don't get me started about Mike Warnke.

Did you know that he's back and still doing the whole "Satan Seller" routine, even though he was exposed as a fraud?

He stole his comedy material (which was just plain unfunny to begin with) from Bill Cosby, he lied about his Satanism, he lied about his military service...

But he's back now doing it all over again.

When I was a new Christian, I bought into it.

I had "The Satan Seller" and all of that stuff.

When I worked for the Creation Festival back in the 80's, I tried to get them to book Warnke and they never would. They explained to me that there were some serious concerns about Warnke's testimony and about his character (I don't know if you remember when the scandal broke, but he was also charged with three or four felonies, and his wife divorced him, claiming that he physically assaulted her).

I never did believe them when they told me this, but then the expose came out and there it was in black and white.

The other thing that makes me mad is that the people in Nashville, who run the Christian music industry (I could be wrong, but I think I remember that he was on Dayspring records), knew for years that he was a fraud, but continued to promote him, anyway.
 
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Well I don't know who Mike Warnke is but I guess it doesn't matter.

Back in the 70's and 80's, Mike Warnke was a guy who wrote a book called "The Satan Seller", in which he claimed to have been a Satanic high priest, joined the Marines, went to Vietnam, became a war hero, and got saved.

The only problem is that all of it was a lie. He was never a Satanist. He was never a war hero. He never saw combat in Vietnam. He was a Marine but the closest he got to combat was giving Marines shots for VD at Subic Bay.

He parlayed the success of the book into an act where he would go around the country doing Bill Cosby's comedy routine (literally word for word...how he managed to avoid being sued, I'll never know) and talking about Satanism.

Then, one day in the early 90's, Cornerstone Magazine did a long expose, in which they interview people from the book, Warnke's family, and exmined Marine Corps records and exposed him as a fraud.

The story is still available here.

As a result, he was forced to stop his activities and disband his "ministry". He was hit with several federal felony charges, including tax evasion and wire fraud.

Finally, his wife divorced him, claiming spousal abuse.

He's back now, but not very popular. He was, at one time, the biggest star in Christian entertainment, but now, most people have never heard of him.

You might want to take a minute to clarify your post. It seems that, first you're saying that it's a good idea to rub oil on your doorposts and then you're saying it's not.

I think I understand what you're saying, but it might confuse some.
 
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That last line is soooo true. A church that I was an intern at focused mainly on demon's instead of God and if you weren't feeling oppressed something was wrong. I do have one question though, are you saying that you disagree with positive thinking?

I totally 100% disagree with 'positive thinking'.

The truth sets us free, 'positive mental attitude' is just mumbo-jumbo (with its source in new age deceptive teachings).

Get into the truth, 'positive' {quote unquote} doesnt appear anywhere in the bible.

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I totally 100% disagree with 'positive thinking'.

The truth sets us free, 'positive mental attitude' is just mumbo-jumbo (with its source in new age deceptive teachings).

Get into the truth, 'positive' {quote unquote} doesnt appear anywhere in the bible.

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There's a difference between "positive mental attitude" and the positive confession I think you're talking about.

Positive confession is nothing but a silly superstition. I was once "rebuked", when I was in the WoF movement because I said somthing like, "I think this bronchitis is going to be the death of me" or something like that.

They honestly expected me to die because I used a figure of speech.

It's just stupid.

Now, on the other hand, having a positive mental outlook is a very healthy and Biblical thing.
 
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There's a difference between "positive mental attitude" and the positive confession I think you're talking about.

I used to be into both!

But then I found out at a business seminar at work, they were teaching the exact same thing that the church was teaching. I was really surprised that the teachings of the church and of the world were the same.

I have since learned that the 'positive mental attitude' thing had its roots in the teachings of a Spiritalist Medium called Napoleon hill. It was his spirit-guide that first coined the phrase 'positive mental attitude' and 'positive confession', during a seance.

This man's work here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0671743228/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0730775-3906505#reader-link


If you want a good explanation from a Christian perspective of why to avoid all things 'positive' I recommend Dave Hunt's Book:

http://www.amazon.com/Seduction-Chr...=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197380918&sr=1-9

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There's a difference between "positive mental attitude" and the positive confession I think you're talking about.

Positive confession is nothing but a silly superstition. I was once "rebuked", when I was in the WoF movement because I said somthing like, "I think this bronchitis is going to be the death of me" or something like that.

They honestly expected me to die because I used a figure of speech.

It's just stupid.

Now, on the other hand, having a positive mental outlook is a very healthy and Biblical thing.

You are right. Our approach to faith can actually become works when we feel we can “work-up” faith by mouthing all the right words, by quoting proof-texts we have been taught, by controlling our attitude toward circumstances, by visualizing positive things, by saying positive affirmations, by “pleading the blood”, etc. as though “doing” those things will somehow produce faith. You are right, it is superstition clothed in clerical robes.

Faith is more “trust” than anything else and trust is, when all those other efforts (works) fail to produce the hoped for results, we simply submit our life into God’s hands, knowing that He is omniscient and will do what is right and just for us.

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Yes, just to clarify, I am not in favor of it...I was more speaking from a different voice, the teachings themselves.

On the positive thinking, if I did not work hard on thinking positively about everything in my life right now I would have divorced hubby already-simply because we're living with his parents and at first he refused to give any hope of us moving-added on to the spiritual stuff...but I just kept praying for him and thinking positively and believing God was going to do a work in him and now he's agreed that we can move out as soon as we can afford it. I know God's working in him and I don't believe in divorce anyway, I'd never do it but without the driving force of a positive attitude it's very well that I may not be here today.

In spiritual stuff it's hard to say...I'm so young and nieve, I'll admit it. I've hardly read through the Bible and though I've been a Christian most of my life, I never dedicated my life to Christ until last year. I feel like a baby believer so bear with me. My DH is a doom and gloom person and he's proud of it. He says he won't be happy if his head isn't chopped off for teaching the "right" things in the "last days". What a nice thing to say to your young bride. I figure God's still workin' on him too lol. He's written hundreds, maybe thousands of pages of spiritual matter, most of which goes right over my head. Well written but he's barely lived life. He believes himself to be an old testament style prophet and he tries preaching the good news mixed in with reality. That Christianity is not just a bed of roses. That it's serious stuff...that there's going to be just a few left after the tribulation...etc etc. I am more a simple Christian who's willing to go through anything for Christ but who focuses on spreading the good news, caring for those in need, helping those going through rough spots (instead of telling them that it's just part of the Christian walk, bye see ya later...), and worshipping and praising God every single day I'm alive. I'll probably not ever be a doom and gloom person because it's too gloomy to make me even desire Christ, for I'm willing to do whatever Christ asks me to death even, but focusing on just the negative aspects (if you could call them negative) would kill any hint of deep spirituality that I have in me lol.
 
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I used to be into both!

But then I found out at a business seminar at work, they were teaching the exact same thing that the church was teaching. I was really surprised that the teachings of the church and of the world were the same.

I have since learned that the 'positive mental attitude' thing had its roots in the teachings of a Spiritalist Medium called Napoleon hill. It was his spirit-guide that first coined the phrase 'positive mental attitude' and 'positive confession', during a seance.

So then, what are we supposed to do? Walk around believing that everything is terrible?

Maybe this guy used the phrase and put a bogus meaning to it, but I do know that the Bible tells us to be positive in our thinking and that being positive in our thinking is a very healthy thing.

If you want a good explanation from a Christian perspective of why to avoid all things 'positive' I recommend Dave Hunt's Book:

Wow. My life is terrible. I'll bet that bump on my neck is really some kind of tumor or something. Uh oh. There's a cloud in the sky. I should go inside so I don't get struck by lightning. But house will probably fall down on me anyway. My life must be at it's lowest point.

Oh, good the mail is here. What's this? Two free tickets to a Broadway show? That's nice. I wonder what show it is. Oh, no! It's "Who's the Boss: The Musical".

Woe is me.
 
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So then, what are we supposed to do? Walk around believing that everything is terrible?

Maybe this guy used the phrase and put a bogus meaning to it, but I do know that the Bible tells us to be positive in our thinking and that being positive in our thinking is a very healthy thing.



Wow. My life is terrible. I'll bet that bump on my neck is really some kind of tumor or something. Uh oh. There's a cloud in the sky. I should go inside so I don't get struck by lightning. But house will probably fall down on me anyway. My life must be at it's lowest point.

Oh, good the mail is here. What's this? Two free tickets to a Broadway show? That's nice. I wonder what show it is. Oh, no! It's "Who's the Boss: The Musical".

Woe is me.
Somewhere in the middle of all of this is the truth. God encourages us...He is the lifter of our heads...He wants us to have an abundant joy-filled life.

Murmuring and complaining are obviously big No-No's...but do we not do it legalistically because God hates it? Or do we not murmur and complain because our hearts are too full of thanksgiving and praise to God?

IMHO, it is the motivation and origin of the Positive Attitude that determines whether it has any value or not. Have I lifted up my own countenance or has the Lord lifted up His countenance upon me?
 
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Well DH better anoint the windows the chimney and the mouse holes too. Those sneaky little devils can come in anywhere.

Maybe he should try a lead shielded room like Superman had to do to keep away from kryptonite. Check this out: Zech 5:8 He said, "This is wickedness," and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed the lead cover down over its mouth.
 
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LOL well let's see...

The windows are anointed once in a while...the door is every night since more can come in through doors than windows. He can't anoint the house because it's his mom's house so he just anoints the room. His mom doesn't anoint the house because his father is atheist and owns the home so you cannot anoint a home that you don't own...or that the two of you are not in agreeance upon. It's a bit silly if you ask me. lol
 
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