Anointing-doorposts???

[horuhe00]

I've also learned to never say never because what you say you will never do...God has a way of proving that statement wrong.

I will never have sex before marriage!

 

[horuhe00]

LOL well let's see...

The windows are anointed once in a while...the door is every night since more can come in through doors than windows. He can't anoint the house because it's his mom's house so he just anoints the room. His mom doesn't anoint the house because his father is atheist and owns the home so you cannot anoint a home that you don't own...or that the two of you are not in agreeance upon. It's a bit silly if you ask me. lol

I think it's pathetic.

 

[horuhe00]

You have your point there. I'm still stuck in the middle of WHAT to believe. I lived 19 years without ever knowing about demons minus some small stuff and I did just fine...lol

Exactly.

 

[SharonL]

I must have missed the part about rubbing oil on your doorposts, "inviting" demons in, "pleading the blood", and rebuking the Devil.

Would you mind pointing it out to me?

Where are you getting this?

Maybe if you ask the question with a little less sarcasm I can understand what you are asking.

 

[WarEagle]

Where are you getting this?

We're not getting it. That's the problem. We keep asking where these things are found in scripture and you guys keep ignoring us.

Maybe if you ask the question with a little less sarcasm I can understand what you are asking.

You mean it's really that difficult to understand "where is rubbing oil on a doorpost, binding the Devil, pleading the blood, etc, found in scripture"?

 

[SharonL]

We're not getting it. That's the problem. We keep asking where these things are found in scripture and you guys keep ignoring us.



You mean it's really that difficult to understand "where is rubbing oil on a doorpost, binding the Devil, pleading the blood, etc, found in scripture"?

WarEagle -

I cannot go to a verse that says to pray the Blood of Jesus, but The Blood of Jesus is the most precious thing in the world to me.

As I walk hand in hand doing this just comes natural to me and makes me feel closer to Jesus. If I am doing something wrong, God has not showed me after all these years. The Blood of Jesus is so precious to me that it just is a natural thing for me to protect my loved ones with the covering of the Blood.

If it does not tell us verse by verse - why was it so important for Jesus to send the Angel to mark the doorposts so that death would pass over - why would God want it done just that one time - if it meant something then, why would it not mean something now.

Binding the enemy is another thing that comes very natural to me - the demons tremble at the name of Jesus - why wouldn't the Blood of Jesus make them inactive. To me these things are just what we see Jesus do - Jesus only did what He saw His father do and we do what we see Jesus do.

I know that these actions work - I have seen it too many times. Until the Holy Spirit tells me this is wrong - I will continue to apply the most precious, meaningful, loving jester that I know how to do.

 

[WarEagle]

I cannot go to a verse that says to pray the Blood of Jesus, but The Blood of Jesus is the most precious thing in the world to me.

As I walk hand in hand doing this just comes natural to me and makes me feel closer to Jesus. If I am doing something wrong, God has not showed me after all these years.

I see. So then, do we base our doctrine on what the Bible says? Or do we say "I'm going to do this until God shows me otherwise"?

The Blood of Jesus is so precious to me that it just is a natural thing for me to protect my loved ones with the covering of the Blood.

But how did you ever come to the conclusion that you can just say "I plead the blood of Jesus" like some sort of magic mantra or wear it about your neck like a fetish?

Do yourself a favor: Get a Bible and a good concordance and look up every instance of the use of the word "blood". In every case that the word is applied to Jesus' blood, it is refering to to sacrifice of Christ on the cross to reconcile us to God and atone for our sins. The Bible never once says that it's some esoteric amulet to keep the the Devil or some bad circumstance away.

If it does not tell us verse by verse - why was it so important for Jesus to send the Angel to mark the doorposts so that death would pass over - why would God want it done just that one time - if it meant something then, why would it not mean something now.

Because that was symbolic of Christ's blood to forgive sins. Just as the Angel of Death passed over the homes of those with the blood sprinkled on the door, so that those who have been washed in Christ's blood are no longer under the curse of death. The Bible says that because of Christ's blood, we have passed from death into life.

If the blood on the door was symbolic of Christ, then why do we need the symbol when we now have the real, living Christ?

Binding the enemy is another thing that comes very natural to me - the demons tremble at the name of Jesus - why wouldn't the Blood of Jesus make them inactive.

Because that isn't what the blood does. Like I said, take some time and go through a concordance looking up all the appearances of the word "blood". It's always in relation to atonement, never protection or good luck.

Also, if you'll perform the same exercise with the word "bind", you'll see that the only time the Devil is bound is when Jesus binds him and throws him into the pit after the judgement.

To me these things are just what we see Jesus do - Jesus only did what He saw His father do and we do what we see Jesus do

How do you know Jesus did them? You've already admitted that they're not in scripture so what extra-Biblical source do you have to know that Jesus did them?

I know that these actions work - I have seen it too many times.

Do you think it's even remotely possible that the experience you say you had might not be what you thought it was?

I would also ask you, do we define truth by what "works" or by what the Bible says?

Until the Holy Spirit tells me this is wrong - I will continue to apply the most precious, meaningful, loving jester that I know how to do.

Again, I ask you, do we get our doctrine by going to God's word and looking at what it says? Or do we decide that we're going to believe something until God says otherwise.

To be honest, your statement reminds me of a scene from the Simpsons.

Homer walks into the kitchen to find a plate of donuts that his wife has ordered him not to eat.

He falls to his knees and says "Oh, Lord, if it is Thy will that I eat these donuts, give me absolutely no sign."

A few moments go by and Homer says, "Thy will be done" and proceeds to finish off the plate.

In other words, when we get our doctrine by saying "this is what I believe until God says otherwise", instead of going to scripture and seeing what God has commanded, when we put down the objective and authoritative standard of God's word and pick up our will, challenging God to stop us, then essentially what we've done is to make an idol of our own will.

I understand what it's like to have beliefs like yours. I had them myself for many years and held on to them just as tightly as you're doing now.

But I'm also hoping that you'll come to see that the answer is in going to God's word to please Him by looking at what He's told us to do and doing that.

 

[Wandering Cat Lady]

lol I'm sorry, the mention of the scene from Homer made me LOL...anyway, yes all I want is Scriptural back up for doing this.

You might say "well the bible doesn't explicitely tell us to brush our teeth, so not everything is in there. I don't want to hear that. I want Scriptural back up for something that is so far entirely wrong, according to the Scriptures.

 

[ChristianMuse]

Demons don't know our thoughts.

Are you saying that God will lead people to do things that aren't Biblical?

I have decided to edit my first response to your post. It may have added fuel to the fire.

I don't expect someone to accept what I write... I put it out there so that the Holy Spirit can breathe on it and bring it to life in those who need it, when they need it. What I wrote may never ring true for you. Perhaps some day it will.

As for second line. I have seen the way the responses are coming in this thread. There is no point in walking down that road either.

 

[Christina M]

When I was in the WoF movement, I remember that we used to rub olive oil on the doors and would "rebuke" and "bind" Satan and different ideas or sicknesses and other superstitions like that.

We'd always get so mad at anybody who had the guts to point out that none of it is Biblical. We just didn't think they were on as high a spiritual plane as we were.

What kind of WOF church were you in?

 

[jeolmstead]

One of the first times I was involved with the deliverance ministry we were praying for a woman who had a spirit of witchcraft.

The demon cried out :

“Help me Betty. You’ve got to help me!” (and it would not leave).

We asked the lady who Betty was. She said Betty was her sister in California. She said that she and Betty used to play with a ouji board together.

I felt like the Holy Spirit told me to anoint the room. At the time I had never anointed anything. I know that it is just oil and frankly I thought the idea was silly.

I still however could not get around this impression that I was to anoint the room. As we were in the choir room I stepped out to get some oil from the sanctuary. I came back into the room with oil. I didn’t announce what I was doing or make a spectacle of it. I just went around the room touched each wall with a drop of oil and asked God to station angels about us and to cut this demon off from drawing power from anything else.

When I finished the last wall the demon cried out:

“Betty’s gone!, Betty can’t help me now!” and it departed.

You are certainly free to think what you want, and frankly had I not experienced this I would not believe it either, but, this is what happened. (I was there)

John O.

 

[WarEagle]

I don't expect someone to accept what I write... I put it out there so that the Holy Spirit can breathe on it and bring it to life in those who need it, when they need it.

But how do you expect the Holy Spirit to breathe on it when even those who agree with you admit that it isn't Biblical?

What I wrote may never ring true for you. Perhaps some day it will.

Either it's true or it's not. If it isn't Biblical now, it isn't ever going to be Biblical.

The Doctrine Fairy isn't going to sneak into your house while you're asleep and reach under your pillow and magically make it come true.

Bottom line: it isn't Biblical. Not one of you have provided even one verse to back it up and at least one of the people here who agree with you have been forced to admit that it isn't Biblical.

What I find troubling isn't that you believe something that isn't Biblical, because all of us at one time or another have fallen for something that isn't Biblical.

No, what I find so troubling is that you don't even care that what you believe isn't Biblical.

 

[WarEagle]

One of the first times I was involved with the deliverance ministry we were praying for a woman who had a spirit of witchcraft.

The demon cried out :

“Help me Betty. You’ve got to help me!” (and it would not leave).

We asked the lady who Betty was. She said Betty was her sister in California. She said that she and Betty used to play with a ouji board together.

I felt like the Holy Spirit told me to anoint the room. At the time I had never anointed anything. I know that it is just oil and frankly I thought the idea was silly.

I still however could not get around this impression that I was to anoint the room. As we were in the choir room I stepped out to get some oil from the sanctuary. I came back into the room with oil. I didn’t announce what I was doing or make a spectacle of it. I just went around the room touched each wall with a drop of oil and asked God to station angels about us and to cut this demon off from drawing power from anything else.

When I finished the last wall the demon cried out:

“Betty’s gone!, Betty can’t help me now!” and it departed.

You are certainly free to think what you want, and frankly had I not experienced this I would not believe it either, but, this is what happened. (I was there)

John O.

So, do we get our doctrine by what we feel like God says? Or do we get it by going to scripture and examining what God does say?

 

[WarEagle]

What kind of WOF church were you in?

Based on the churches I visited during that time, a pretty typical one.

The one I'm speaking of was World Harvest Christian Center in Pennsauken, NJ.

I also attended Victory Christian Fellowship in Wilmington, De, part time but never became a member.

After I left World Harvest, I attended Come Alive NT Church, in Medford, NJ.

While the official position of the church wasn't WoF, there were definitely strong WoF leanings there.

 

[jeolmstead]

So, do we get our doctrine by what we feel like God says? Or do we get it by going to scripture and examining what God does say?

If the prophet tells you to dip in the river to be cleansed would you do it?

If you are blind and Jesus wants to spit in your eyes do you let Him?

If He tells you to catch a fish to retrieve a coin for the temple tax will you obey?

Will you step out of the boat and walk on the water if he calls your name?

All of these acts are silly in man’s eyes.

So, to answer your question, doctrine is formed by both what we read and what we hear the Spirit tell us.

Again, I was there, you were not. Be careful what you judge so quickly.


John O.

 

[WarEagle]

If the prophet tells you to dip in the river to be cleansed would you do it?

Since the only reference we have in scripture of a prophet telling anybody to dip themselves in a river to be cleansed was type and foreshadow or salvation in Christ, I'd have to say no, since I've already been saved and have no need of the foreshadow when I have the real thing.

So, to answer your question, doctrine is formed by both what we read and what we hear the Spirit tell us.

My natural inclination is to ask you where in scripture we find this, but obviously, you'll just try to get out of it by saying that the "spirit" told you so.

I have no doubt that a spirit told you these things. I just don't believe it's the spirit you think it is.

You you believe that "the Spirit" is telling you something, what objective and authoritative standard do you use to determine whether or not it is, indeed, the Holy Spirit?

Again, I was there, you were not. Be careful what you judge so quickly.

Why? What's going to happen to me for following God's command to test the spirits?

 

[jeolmstead]

Since the only reference we have in scripture of a prophet telling anybody to dip themselves in a river to be cleansed was type and foreshadow or salvation in Christ, I'd have to say no, since I've already been saved and have no need of the foreshadow when I have the real thing.



My natural inclination is to ask you where in scripture we find this, but obviously, you'll just try to get out of it by saying that the "spirit" told you so.

I have no doubt that a spirit told you these things. I just don't believe it's the spirit you think it is.

You you believe that "the Spirit" is telling you something, what objective and authoritative standard do you use to determine whether or not it is, indeed, the Holy Spirit?



Why? What's going to happen to me for following God's command to test the spirits?

The man with the experience is really not subject to the man without it.

You are certainly free to believe what you want.

What I shared here is a personal testimony. The lady we ministered to got set free that night.

I know she was still walking in freedom 3 years latter.

That’s really all I can attest to.

God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. (That was the point I was trying to make to you)

Peter had no scripture to check against when Jesus told him to find a coin in a fish’s mouth. He just believed what he was told to do.

You seem thoroughly convinced that I was listening to some other “spirit”. And, I have to admit that stings a bit.

I remember that the Pharisees basically said the same thing about Jesus when he cast out demons so at least I’m in good company.

I invite all the readers here to read what you wrote and what I wrote and judge for themselves what “spirit” I operate in.

John O.

 

[WarEagle]

The man with the experience is really not subject to the man without it.

And the man without scripture is subject to error.

You are certainly free to believe what you want.

Are you saying that you don't believe what the Bible says about this?

What I shared here is a personal testimony. The lady we ministered to got set free that night.

I know she was still walking in freedom 3 years latter.

Again, do we get our doctrine by subjective, esoteric experienc? Or do we get it from the word of God?

God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.

That's refering to God saving people whom it doesn't appear can be saved. It has nothing to do with ignoring the Bible in favor of your own will.

Peter had no scripture to check against when Jesus told him to find a coin in a fish’s mouth. He just believed what he was told to do.

Peter was standing right next to Jesus. He knew that Jesus was telling him to do this.

You're not and you don't.

That's why the Bible tells us to test all spirits in light of scripture. You might not like that and not might not agree with it, but that's what it says.

You seem thoroughly convinced that I was listening to some other “spirit”. And, I have to admit that stings a bit.

If I told you that the Holy Spirit told me to do something that contradicted scripture, would you really believe that the Holy Spirit would contradict Himself?

I remember that the Pharisees basically said the same thing about Jesus when he cast out demons so at least I’m in good company.

So now you're comparing yourself to Jesus?

I invite all the readers here to read what you wrote and what I wrote and judge for themselves what “spirit” I operate in.

If you're not operating according to God's word, then you're not operating according to the spirit of God. That only leaves one other possibility.

Does the Bible or does the Bible not tell us to test all things in light of God's word?

 

[jeolmstead]

I do not believe anything I’ve testified about here is contradicted by scripture.

And yes, there are times when you know it’s the voice of God, and it is like Jesus is standing next to you.

Have you never experienced that?


(by the way, yes we are supposed to test the spirits, by the word of God, by the discerning of spirits, and by the council of believers. God’s word is only light when it is inspired. The devil quoted scripture to Jesus.)

God bless you WarEagle,

I have no wish to offend you, and it appears you have already formed your opinion about me.

I pray that God will help us both see more clearly what it means to serve Him and His kingdom.


John O.

 

[WarEagle]

I do not believe anything I’ve testified about here is contradicted by scripture.

I and a couple of other posters have already demonstrated what the word of God says and why annointing doorposts in this way is not Biblical.

And yes, there are times when you know it’s the voice of God, and it is like Jesus is standing next to you.

Have you never experienced that?

Yes I have. And guess what: I was still obedient to the word of God and tested what I believed the voice of God was telling me.

I notice that you still won't answer my question:

Does the Bible or does the Bible not tell us to test all things in light of scripture?