Anne Coulter: GOP Crafts Plan to Wreck The Country, Lose Voters

[Savior2006]

I don't want them to pander. I want them to show their true colors.

In which case they won't be getting any votes at all.

 

[Hetta]

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[snowfam]

We have plenty of resources for everybody, let them come, I dont see how those who claim to have the moral high ground would feel any other way. And from the steal jobs standpoint, immigrants are consumers just as much as anyone else so that in tuen creates more jobs, so somthing else is behind all this anti-immigrant rhetoric.

 

[SolomonVII]

The American dream is one of greed, materialism, and discounts culture, traditions, and organic compositions of society. It is a progressive concept which traditional conservatives highly reject.

That is how many see it. Those who do see it that way, or make that case, really ought to take a vow of poverty and join some mystical religious orders or the like. Otherwise, the objection comes off as rather hypocritical.

 

[SolomonVII]

In which case they won't be getting any votes at all.

Just a little bit of demonization going on here.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In which case they won't be getting any votes at all.

The true colors, genuine conservative conviction, of the far right were on display in the last two elections. Obama only won because they stayed home. Even then he didn't have a mandate, although he immediately began acting as if he had been crowned king by acclamation.

There are plenty of conservative votes out there. All that is needed is the right candidate.

 

[snowfam]

That is how many see it. Those who do see it that way, or make that case, really ought to take a vow of poverty and join some mystical religious orders or the like. Otherwise, the objection comes off as rather hypocritical.

One can see the reality of something while being a full participant, that would make them a willing actor.

If on the other hand the were hypocrites then they would see the reality and decry the action while being a participant and trying to obscure that fact.

Because indeed amerika is the greediest. Where else could the great Satan (as a friend of mine used to say) , Wal-Mart exist and thrive. We shoot ourselves in the foot by shoping for junk at Wal-Mart. A breif look at consumer debt in amerika show us just how greedy amerikans are. I think of the J.G. Wentworth comercial tagline to describe amerikans "it's my money, and I want it now".

I myself am somewhere between a willing participant and opting out of the nonsense, not joining any religious order or taking a vow of poverty, just trying to do with the things Jesus said we need in Matthew 24, food and raiment, I consider all else a blessing not an entitlement or a way of life.

 

[Creech]

That is how many see it. Those who do see it that way, or make that case, really ought to take a vow of poverty and join some mystical religious orders or the like. Otherwise, the objection comes off as rather hypocritical.

I am not saying people should peruse a more comfortable life, but when materialism helps define America, then what does that even say about Americans and whether America is truly a nation or not?

 

[bhsmte]

The true colors, genuine conservative conviction, of the far right were on display in the last two elections. Obama only won because they stayed home. Even then he didn't have a mandate, although he immediately began acting as if he had been crowned king by acclamation.

There are plenty of conservative votes out there. All that is needed is the right candidate.

And what does that "right candidate" look like?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And what does that "right candidate" look like?

The right candidate must be right for the time, and we don't know what the times will be until it arrives. The mood of the party can change as well. We just have to wait and see. That said I don't see another Reagan on the horizon.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The true colors, genuine conservative conviction, of the far right were on display in the last two elections. Obama only won because they stayed home.

So long as the "genuine conservative conviction" is to stay home and do nothing, I don't see them being very influential.

Even then he didn't have a mandate, although he immediately began acting as if he had been crowned king by acclamation.

Or at least President -- which he was, because the opposition chose to do nothing instead of stop him.

Sleeping Beauty waited centuries for her Prince Charming -- and people actually wanted to find her.

There are plenty of conservative votes out there. All that is needed is the right candidate.

Disney's Snow White - Someday My Prince Will Come - YouTube

 

[Vylo]

The true colors, genuine conservative conviction, of the far right were on display in the last two elections. Obama only won because they stayed home. Even then he didn't have a mandate, although he immediately began acting as if he had been crowned king by acclamation.

There are plenty of conservative votes out there. All that is needed is the right candidate.

They stayed home because they had no chance of winning, and the chances of such a candidate winning are growing slimmer each election cycle. Soon even state positions will start to elude them.

 

[SnowCal]

The true colors, genuine conservative conviction, of the far right were on display in the last two elections. Obama only won because they stayed home. Even then he didn't have a mandate, although he immediately began acting as if he had been crowned king by acclamation.

There are plenty of conservative votes out there. All that is needed is the right candidate.

That's a lot of 'common sense' opinion but it has no bearing in reality.

Turnout in 2008 was the highest it's been since 1968. The highest turnout in 4 decades. You can blame the election results on folks staying home but the fact is that more decided to cast their ballot than during any election in my life. Turnout in 2012 was even higher.

As far as mandates, Obama got 53% of the vote in 2008. That's better than any victory since GHWB in 1988. Better than the 51% that the media declared a 'mandate' when GWB won in 2004. Heck, it's better than the 51% Ronnie Raygun got in 1980.

Consider the facts. They undermine your narrative.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They stayed home because they had no chance of winning, and the chances of such a candidate winning are growing slimmer each election cycle. Soon even state positions will start to elude them.

True. I personally am a 'just right of center independent conservative'. Oh that there were more like me.

 

[SolomonVII]

I am not saying people should peruse a more comfortable life, but when materialism helps define America, then what does that even say about Americans and whether America is truly a nation or not?

Materialism is not what defines America. The pursuit of happiness is how the American dream has been defined from the outset.

 

[conamer]

They stayed home because they had no chance of winning, and the chances of such a candidate winning are growing slimmer each election cycle. Soon even state positions will start to elude them.

Pfft, nice pipe dream. The establishment buy these advisors who always tell them how to win, Don't critisize the President, that will lose the independents." Uh-huh. " Be more moderate." Okay, so how is that working? Too bad these political advisors don't get paid on merit and results. I believe a strong conservative will tell most people what they are already thinking.

 

[Vylo]

Pfft, nice pipe dream. The establishment buy these advisors who always tell them how to win, Don't critisize the President, that will lose the independents." Uh-huh. " Be more moderate." Okay, so how is that working? Too bad these political advisors don't get paid on merit and results. I believe a strong conservative will tell most people what they are already thinking.

Data shows that to be incorrect. Social conservatism is a minority and shrinking rapidly, there is a massive generational gap, and each election cycle is seeing a large chunk taken out of their base.

This has left fiscal conservatives largely without a home, partially because they see the writing on the wall, and partially because many of them don't hold those values. For them smaller government means being more liberal socially and letting people have those freedoms.

 

[cow451]

The right candidate must be right for the time, and we don't know what the times will be until it arrives. The mood of the party can change as well. We just have to wait and see. That said I don't see another Reagan on the horizon.

There isn't even another Romney on the Horizon.

 

[SolomonVII]

On the Democratic side, Obama really is about as good as it is going to get.

This really was what passes as a superstar among Democrats.