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vinsight4u said:
Rather than searching the bible only for verses using the word -antichrist

Look up verses that speak of one man that comes at the end. This will be the same person.
You are reading your own presuppositions into the texts and coming to an arbitrary conclusion. That is a very dark form of wishful thinking, not to mention shoddy exegesis. The OT prophets foresaw the rising and falling of a number of world rulers; and they rose and fell just as the prophets foretold. To insist that some of these prophecies remain unfulfilled is to ignore the facts of history and denigrate the veracity of God's Word.

Many world rulers have risen and fallen throughout the centuries, and doubtless many more will rise and fall for as long as history endures. But the only One who will come at the end is Christ, to put an exclamation point on the victory he has already won through his death and resurrection.

In order to understand precisely what an "antichrist" is and what an "antichrist" does, you must rely upon those Scriptures in which the term is specifically used. According to John, an "antichrist" is someone who 1) denies that Jesus has come in the flesh (1 John 4:3); and 2) abandons the fellowship of the Church (1 John 2:19). Writing nearly 2,000 years ago, John said that "many antichrists have come" (1 John 2:18) and "the spirit of the antichrist. . . now is in the world already" (1 John 4:3).

Evil, by its very nature, cannot be embodied in a single entity. Even the Greek word for "Devil" (diablos) means "double." Truth is singular and embodied in Christ. Falsehood is duplicitous and embodied in "many antichrists." The contrast, drawn by Scripture, could not be more clear: We must choose every day whether we will follow the One who embodies the Truth and leads us to life eternal (Christ); or the many who would deceive us with their lies and lead us to death and eternal torment (Antichrist). Put in its most simple terms, to deny yourself is Christ; to gratify yourself is Antichrist.
 
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antichrist is anyone that does not believe that JC is in the flesh right now and is coming in the flesh 1john 4:2-3...2john 7

The beast is the one who sits in the temple and declares that he is their savior and in Rev 19:19-20 is thrownn into the lake of fire with the false prophet



according to Rev 19:20 He is call the Beast

every one here is calling the antichrist the beast

different persons

antichrist is any one not accepting that JC is in the flesh...tghat means they are in this world today
 
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The antichrist is transformed into the beast thanks to a nearly fatal wound - a satanic posession of the worst kind and a mid-way marking point of the 7 year tribulation. First 3 1/2 years are the plan ole anti-christ, one man ruler of the world. Evil man who see the first set of judgements pass. The second 3 1/2 years are the worst of times (the great trib) where Satan takes over the antichrist and lives through him who nearly died (antichrist) but revived in Satan (now the beast). Two different characteristics of the same physical person.

Read Revelation 13. http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=REV%2B13&showfn=on&showxref=on&language=english&version=KJV&x=13&y=3

There you find out about the beast and the false prophet, their authority and all those who worship them.

If there is more detail needed we can next dealve into Daniel.
 
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knee-v said:
RaptureTicketHolder,

How about declares, or states, or says, or affirms? Also, does the bible "teach" anything at all then?
Knee

The Bible is full of all kinds of things, everything you list here and then some. What are you looking for? I wont promise to deliver, but I sure will try.

Regards,
RTH
 
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ok just for some clarification... i dont believe it ever says he has to be jewish... second its predicted that he will have roman blood... since the romans were the ones opposed to jesus at the time (im talking politically not religiously) plus the fact that he depends on about a thousand things... o by the way the fact that it might even be a she.... one last thing.. it depends on israel's total safety and that aint happening soon short of a miracle so y worry bout it?
 
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Hitch said:
Well Junk I'll pay $1,000 for any Scripture that combines antichist and any relationship to nationality.

You are making this all up from thin air.
And it has no basis in fact.

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Daniel 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Palatka44 said:
Daniel 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Has your mind been so confouned by Darbyism that you can't see from the above passage that "Messiah" ("anointed one" or "Christ") and "Prince" are one and the same Person? There is no mention here of the coming of an "Antichrist." It is simply the timetable for the (first) coming of Christ and the completion of the purpose of the Old Covenant.
 
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Patmosman_sga said:
Has your mind been so confouned by Darbyism that you can't see from the above passage that "Messiah" ("anointed one" or "Christ") and "Prince" are one and the same Person? There is no mention here of the coming of an "Antichrist." It is simply the timetable for the (first) coming of Christ and the completion of the purpose of the Old Covenant.

Excuse me! Did I belittle your position? I know nothing of "Darbyism".

If you'll note I posted only scripture. In that scripture we have the word "prince". Note that this word is not capitolised. "Messiah" is as it is in reference to God or God incarnated, Jesus Christ. The word "prince" here is not in reference to Messiah but in reference to the anti-christ.

Isaiah 9:6-7
6 Now for some scripture that is in reference to Christ.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Daniel 8:25
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 9:25
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Acts 3:15
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

However I did find one exception to that rule.

Revelation 1:5
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 
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Capitalizations in English translations of the Bible are based on arbitrary decisions of the translators. In my version of the same passage you originally posted (Daniel 9:25-27), neither "prince" nor "anointed one" (the ESV rendering of "Messiah") is capitalized. You cannot build an argument around such subjective criteria.
 
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Wow Pat, you really do need to re-read that passage.

Daniel is indeed talking about the endtimes and includes the "antichrist" persona. The rebuilding of Babalon (sp) is mentioned in here, the timing of the trib is mentioned in here with the rise and fall of that persona which you question along with the removal of the Holy Spirit.

There is a ton you are missing in just this slight passage!

But, try it in NIV:

Daniel 9
25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [1] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, [2] the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. [3] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' [4] In the middle of the 'seven' [5] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [6] " [7]



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  1. 9:25 Or word
  2. 9:25 Or an anointed one ; also in verse 26
  3. 9:26 Or off and will have no one ; or off, but not for himself
  4. 9:27 Or 'week'
  5. 9:27 Or 'week'
  6. 9:27 Or it
  7. 9:27 Or And one who causes desolation will come upon the pinnacle of the abominable temple , until the end that is decreed is poured out on the desolated city
 
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vinsight4u said:
Where did you try to get the removal of the Holy Spirit from?

2 thes 2:7 until he be out of the way

Gen 6:3 .....

a determined time ends -
v. 26
then another begins later
Daniel 9:27

The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer -Michael is.

Daniel 10:21
none holdeth with me in these things
but Michael your prince

Daniel 12:1
then shall Michael stand up
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was
 
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