Angels or Sons of God?

[GoldenKingGaze]

You're joking right? You don't understand why those "sons of God" in the Book of Job are angels? Have you even read the Book of Job???

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV


Job 2:1-2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV


What planet do you live on? You mean you don't understand those angels appeared before God's Throne in Heaven along with Satan?

Satan was also among them, but was not one of them, or it would say, "and Satan was one of them with them."

Satan is an angel, once called Lucifer, or Heylel. Meaning Morning Star, or light bearer, what is the difference between morning stars and sons of God, Job 38:7?

Why isn't Satan a son of God?

I'd say Adam was to present himself before God with them as our rep.

How many of the full number of sons of God present themselves?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

...and in the context of Job 38:7 this implies...??

There are angels, morning stars, light bearers, appearing as an introduction to the light of God like Venus, the morning star appears before sunrise. And the sons of God, like Adam if they were old enough and not fallen, rejoiced in the worship led by angels. This might have been before Lucifer, or Heyley, the morning star, or light bearer, fell.

 

[TedT]

Why isn't Satan a son of God?

Deuteronomy 32:5 “They have corrupted themselves; They are not His children because of their blemish but a perverse and crooked generation.

SELF corruption removes one as a child of GOD not some blasphemous idea that GOD creates us blemished and corrupted by making us in Adam's line to inherit his sinfulness, sigh.

 

[TedT]

There are angels, morning stars, light bearers, appearing as an introduction to the light of God like Venus, the morning star appears before sunrise. And the sons of God, like Adam if they were old enough and not fallen, rejoiced in the worship led by angels. This might have been before Lucifer, or Heyley, the morning star, or light bearer, fell.

Sure, that is an ordinary eisegetic interpretation forced on the word all by the predetermined doctrine of our being created on earth, but the words at face value are ALL the sons of GOD..bene elohim, which, if accepted at face value without interpretation can legitimately lead to understanding that EVERYONE created in HIS image was created before the foundation of the physical universe and as sons GOD then we were there and saw HIS divine power and glory and we all sang HIS praises!!!

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Deuteronomy 32:5 “They have corrupted themselves; They are not His children because of their blemish but a perverse and crooked generation.

SELF corruption removes one as a child of GOD not some blasphemous idea that GOD creates us blemished and corrupted by making us in Adam's line to inherit his sinfulness, sigh.

In Genesis 6 and I use exegesis, the sons of God are extremely corrupt, like Satan. Our race are sons of God, before or after new birth in Christ.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Sure, that is an ordinary eisegetic interpretation forced on the word all by the predetermined doctrine of our being created on earth, but the words at face value are ALL the sons of GOD..bene elohim, which, if accepted at face value without interpretation can legitimately lead to understanding that EVERYONE created in HIS image was created before the foundation of the physical universe and as sons GOD then we were there and saw HIS divine power and glory and we all sang HIS praises!!!

Do you believe we pre-existed before conception in our mothers?

I thought this was an event in ancient times, before God created Adam.

And who are the morning stars, ones different from bene Elohim?

 

[Eloy Craft]

There is a repeated theme in Scripture of the Jewish men being seduced by idol worshipping women.
Anyway, the sons of God were preserving the proper order of the family.b The daughters of men were from the fiercely competitive polygamous culture of Cain's line.
Satan wants to destroy the family structure as ordained by God. First attempt in the Garden.
Second attempt tempt them to abandon monogamy for polygamy. And so the monogamous sons of God (sons of Adam) fell for the beauty of the polygamous daughters of men. The proper order of family survives Satan's attempt to destroy it again.
But it would not have with out the Flood.
Satan's focus is to destroy the proper order of the family. This seduction of the men of God's people by idol worshipping women echoes a few times in salvation history. David and Bethsheba. Solomon and his multitude of idol worshipping women. Samson and Delilah...etc.
He launched another war on the family a hundred years ago and he's doing a good job of it.
His first attack on the family caused the fall of man.
His final attack will be on the family.

 

[TedT]

Do you believe we pre-existed before conception in our mothers?

I think that Job 38:7 can be properly understood to support this idea.

 

[TedT]

And who are the morning stars, ones different from bene Elohim?

This may be a bit of emphasis by repetition, not implying separation... IF it DOES refer to those Satanic who chose to rebuke HIM as a liar and a false god, those called morning stars because they start bright (as children of GOD with a free will) but end the day as dark, snuffed out by their own faith in evil, Deuteronomy 32:5 “They have corrupted themselves; They are not His children because of their blemish as a perverse and crooked generation.

Would such people praise HIM after their fall, their choice to be evil in HIS sight and so enslaved by sinfulness? I suggest that if HIS glory is half what it is cracked up to be then even those who hated HIM and knew that this proof of HIS divinity and power sealed their destruction that they would be / could be, when overwhelmed by seeing the creation of the physical universe with their own eyes, taken out of their personal concerns and would join the singing of the faithful as best they could.

 

[Eloy Craft]

No biological function??? They are spirits, spirits who can create bodies for themselves at will and sing to shepherds...where do you get no bodily function from this verse??

The verse is about marriage, not bodily functions!! Please consider that the holy and elect angels are espoused to YHWH - a perfect family relationship - as are the elect but sinful humans! That is why the angels don't marry, they are already betrothed and humans would be too if they weren't sinful!

Noooo, their is no marriage in heaven because in heaven they no longer die