Angels or Sons of God?

[GoldenKingGaze]

In Genesis 6:2-7 and Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 The sons of God are mentioned and some are sure these are angels. They say it is unfair to say God created other living planets. It is unfair if God did something as important as that, and then did not tell us. But isn't it unfair if the Bible, and it's authors particularly Moses here, could have used the word angels, or messengers, but instead refers to sons of God? Implying they look like God, similar to us?

And Moses could have mentioned demons, angels of death, fallen angels, or evil spirits.

And in Job Satan describes which planet he is from. Why need specify this one?

Hebrews 1 tells us no no angels will be called "son" but they are only ever servants. Outwardly beautiful and inwardly of a servant nature.

 

[d taylor]

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Sons of God are angels and God has not created any planets. The Bible again and again states God's creation is heaven and earth (+ the sun, moon and stars). Satan's original home was the earth and he is still around, he possesses the kingdoms of the earth, which he will give to the man of sin (beast from the sea) and the false prophet/antichrist in exchange for worship.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

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Sons of God are angels and God has not created any planets. The Bible again and again states God's creation is heaven and earth (+ the sun, moon and stars). Satan's original home was the earth and he is still around, he possesses the kingdoms of the earth, which he will give to the man of sin (beast from the sea) and the false prophet/antichrist in exchange for worship.

D Taylor, the universe if full of good planets. Creation also has a possible gap theory. The first verses of Genesis imply a separate Heavens. And a renewal of an old Earth that was once thrown into turmoil.
Why does Satan need specify Earth, and why is he distinct from sons of God?

Hebrews 1 explains that the angels are not sons in nature, even if outwardly they take a human form, if they at all have a physical body. They are never sons, permanently hard wired differently, and cannot relate to God as a Father. They watch us and record our lives, their inner workings are different, and perfect. Fallen angels are never sons of God.

Satan came to steal Adam and Eve's authority on Earth and now for a time is in control of the Earth's kingdoms.

 

[Andrewn]

God has not created any planets.

Hmmm.

Satan's original home was the earth and he is still around, he possesses the kingdoms of the earth, which he will give to the man of sin (beast from the sea) and the false prophet/antichrist in exchange for worship.

This is scary.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In Genesis 6:2-7 and Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 The sons of God are mentioned and some are sure these are angels. They say it is unfair to say God created other living planets. It is unfair if God did something as important as that, and then did not tell us. But isn't it unfair if the Bible, and it's authors particularly Moses here, could have used the word angels, or messengers, but instead refers to sons of God? Implying they look like God, similar to us?

And Moses could have mentioned demons, angels of death, fallen angels, or evil spirits.

And in Job Satan describes which planet he is from. Why need specify this one?

Hebrews 1 tells us no no angels will be called "son" but they are only ever servants. Outwardly beautiful and inwardly of a servant nature.

Reminds me of

and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Reminds me of

and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

This does not say they are sons of God like the angels but rather that they do not die like the angels do not. The angels don't need resurrection. They are not born again, into sonship... Hebrews 1 .

 

[d taylor]

D Taylor, the universe if full of good planets. Creation also has a possible gap theory. The first verses of Genesis imply a separate Heavens. And a renewal of an old Earth that was once thrown into turmoil.
Why does Satan need specify Earth, and why is he distinct from sons of God?

Hebrews 1 explains that the angels are not sons in nature, even if outwardly they take a human form, if they at all have a physical body. They are never sons, permanently hard wired differently, and cannot relate to God as a Father. They watch us and record our lives, their inner workings are different, and perfect. Fallen angels are never sons of God.

Satan came to steal Adam and Eve's authority on Earth and now for a time is in control of the Earth's kingdoms.

Show just one place in the Bible ( preferably in Genesis 1 the creation chapter) where 1. God created a universe then show where God created planets in this universe.

I agree there is a space of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 and that Genesis 1:3 to end of chapter 1 is the creation of the earth created in Genesis 1:1 for human habitation.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

This does not say they are sons of God like the angels but rather that they do not die like the angels do not. The angels don't need resurrection. They are not born again, into sonship... Hebrews 1 .

They are already sons, this is why they are equal to the angels.

Angels were born during the creation.

Those who inherit the resurrection, become the sons of the resurrection.

According to the gospel of Luke, Adam was the son of God also.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

They are already sons, this is why they are equal to the angels.

Angels were born during the creation.

Those who inherit the resurrection, become the sons of the resurrection.

According to the gospel of Luke, Adam was the son of God also.

It is written that we who are eventually glorified will judge the angels. Sons judging the servants. They are head of the house until we come of age.

 

[Mark Quayle]

And in Job Satan describes which planet he is from. Why need specify this one?

Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but this is a new one on me. Can you give the reference/ quotation?

 

[BobRyan]

In Genesis 6:2-7 and Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 The sons of God are mentioned and some are sure these are angels. They say it is unfair to say God created other living planets. It is unfair if God did something as important as that, and then did not tell us. But isn't it unfair if the Bible, and it's authors particularly Moses here, could have used the word angels, or messengers, but instead refers to sons of God? Implying they look like God, similar to us?

And Moses could have mentioned demons, angels of death, fallen angels, or evil spirits.

And in Job Satan describes which planet he is from. Why need specify this one?

Hebrews 1 tells us no no angels will be called "son" but they are only ever servants. Outwardly beautiful and inwardly of a servant nature.

1. He specified Earth because Rev 12 says this is his home after Adam and Eve turned the place over to him (Luke 4 he says -- "it has been given to me"

Luke 4:5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

2. In Matt 22 Jesus said Angels do not have the biology/function of having families even within their own species - let alone with other species.

3. In John 1:12 - Jesus said that humans that choose the Gospel have the right to be called "the sons of God" - those are the "people of God".

In Gen 6 it is the "people of God" that are the "sons of God" - the descendants of Seth - vs - the " daughters of men " - descendants of Cain -- unequally yoked destroyed true religion (the salt of the Earth destroyed -- then Earth destroyed in Gen 6 and 7

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It is written that we who are eventually glorified will judge the angels. Sons judging the servants. They are head of the house until we come of age.

Some Jesus sayings come to mind.

Too much human construct hierarchy to be correct.

 

[BobRyan]

Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but this is a new one on me. Can you give the reference/ quotation?

Job 1 and 2 - Satan is asked by God "where do you come from" and in both cases he says it is Earth.

In 2 Cor 4:4 he is the "god of THIS World"

In Luke 4 - Satan says this world "has been given over to me"

In Rev 12 it is this world - that satan goes to after he war in heaven.

In Gen 3 - Adam and Eve choose Satan's rule over God's

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Show just one place in the Bible ( preferably in Genesis 1 the creation chapter) where 1. God created a universe then show where God created planets in this universe.

I agree there is a space of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 and that Genesis 1:3 to end of chapter 1 is the creation of the earth created in Genesis 1:1 for human habitation.

God created the Heavens and the Earth. Our sun is visibly one of many. And in their formation are planets along side. We can see them wobble their stars' paths. We can see Venus and Mars...

Titan can be explained to have potential to support a cryo-analogue of life on Earth. Satan in Job 1 mentioned as a bit different to the sons of God, also like this is one who was among the sons of God, but by implication is not like a son.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Apparently lucifer was the name for the planet venus in Roman Mythology, it's not a bible reference.

 

[BobRyan]

It is written that we who are eventually glorified will judge the angels.

Fallen angels are judged by the saints during the millennium - their punishment is determined there and will be executed on them in Rev 20 after the millennium. The saints rule "with a rod of iron" at that time which is always a metaphor for punishment and not mercy -- in the Bible.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

They are already sons, this is why they are equal to the angels.

Angels were born during the creation.

Those who inherit the resurrection, become the sons of the resurrection.

According to the gospel of Luke, Adam was the son of God also.

Sons of God are those made in God's image and likeness. Four limbs, stands upright, has a nature to love like a son as compared with a servant.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Sons of God are those made in God's image and likeness. Four limbs, stands upright, has a nature to love like a son as compared with a servant.

I've noticed in your posts in this thread that there is a constant theme of an implication of railing accusations against angels. A passage speaks expressly against that, just taking note.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Fallen angels are judged by the saints during the millennium - their punishment is determined there and will be executed on them in Rev 20 after the millennium. The saints rule "with a rod of iron" at that time which is always a metaphor for punishment and not mercy -- in the Bible.

NKJV
1 Corinthians 6
1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

I take it there is this humble Earthly life contrasted with the glorious life in Heaven. And angels are superior to fallen angels and so the title angels refers to the holy and otherwise fallen angels must be called fallen.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I've noticed in your posts in this thread that there is a constant theme of an implication of railing accusations against angels. A passage speaks expressly against that, just taking note.

railing accusations against angels in this case refers to fallen angels, Michael would not deal with Satan this way as Jude mentions. But angels being inferior to the Son and later the sons and daughters of God is from Hebrews 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:1-3 .