Angels mixing with Humans

[chi_cchick]

Hi

I've been around Pentecoastal and Baptist circles, and I keep hearing about Angels and Humans in the Old Testament (mostly in Genesis). People have claimed that Angels came down to earth and had babies with Humans, creating a new race, and that's why they had to be destroyed by the flood- because the new race was so evil.

Is there any truth to this? Can someone please explain this to me?

Thanks

 

[Bluelion]

Its debated who the sons of God were, some say Gods people, the Jewish line, some say the sons were angels. And some say men were posses by evil spirits and that is how angels slept with women. You can take you pick what to believe because the Bible never says for sure who the sons of God were. So there is no way to know for sure. For me I think the angels would explain alot.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Though the word for "God" translated in Genesis 6:2 is 'elohiym and is translated as one of the names of the One True God 2,326 times in the Old Testament, here is probably more properly translated "judges" or "rulers" of the people. They were mere men. Inexplicably, the modern translations have continued to render 'elohiym as "God" in this passage, which is ludicrous. Angels are spiritual beings, unable to reproduce among themselves, much less with man. The "riddle" is not a riddle at all, just a traditionally continued bad translation choice.

 

[1watchman]

Sons of God is often shown to be those souls of mankind who are approved of God, and in Genessis 6 it speaks of the godly line of Seth mixing with the world. Angels are shown as sexless and only come to man as messengers of God, and to watch over souls. It is "straining at a gnat" to make out Angels as being earthly, and often progresses to heresy against the ways of God.

 

[Optimus Fortis]

From what I can see, there are three main views that the Sons of God are:

1. Religious nobles (rabbinic Judaism);
2. The line of Seth which replaced Abel;
3. Fallen angels, nephilim coming from the Hebrew verb 'to fall'.

Another perspective is that of the Romanised Judean, Josephus who said that the Nephilim and their giant offspring were those whom the Greeks called 'the Titans'.

 

[Bluelion]

Sons of God is often shown to be those souls of mankind who are approved of God, and in Genessis 6 it speaks of the godly line of Seth mixing with the world. Angels are shown as sexless and only come to man as messengers of God, and to watch over souls. It is "straining at a gnat" to make out Angels as being earthly, and often progresses to heresy against the ways of God.

yeah and where in the Bible does it say angels can not reproduce or that angels do not have a sex?

Adam was created a heavenly being in the image of God and he could reproduce.

The question is if these were not angels sleeping with women why were their off springs giants? Why were they called supermen, why were they so much stronger and bigger than normal men, and why the New name for their race Nephilim?

What is clear is these men were very different.

 

[jsimms615]

Hi

I've been around Pentecoastal and Baptist circles, and I keep hearing about Angels and Humans in the Old Testament (mostly in Genesis). People have claimed that Angels came down to earth and had babies with Humans, creating a new race, and that's why they had to be destroyed by the flood- because the new race was so evil.

Is there any truth to this? Can someone please explain this to me?

Thanks

I believe the reference your talking about is in Genesis 6:4 which says, "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

My Bible translates the word Nephilim as meaning "giants". There also appear to be giants referred to in Numbers 13:28,33 as the sons of Anak who made the sons of Israel feel like grasshoppers in comparison. Besides Goliath, there are some other references to giants in 2 Samuel 21:16,20,22.

Either this means that there was a branch of humans from either Abel or Seth who were larger or that somehow God allowed humans to mate with angels or fallen angels. I think it is important to note that God did not condemn the angels in Genesis account, but it says that he was sorry that he had made man on the earth Genesis 6:6. That's a sad commentary for only being 6 chapters into the Bible

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

yeah and where in the Bible does it say angels can not reproduce or that angels do not have a sex?

Matthew 22, NASB
30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Not that they are genderless, but as the Greek angelos is strictly a masculine pronoun, they are all male. And clearly, there is no sexual activity in heaven. And they are all spiritual beings, which as I said earlier prevents them from having relations with humans. That's just plain common sense.

Adam was created a heavenly being in the image of God and he could reproduce.

Adam was not created a heavely being. He was created on Earth, to abide on Earth.

What is clear is these men were very different.

No, just big. Reference Goliath, Ishbi-benob, Saph, Goliath the Gittite, and the six-fingered giant. They were men. Mere men. Not angels, but fearsome nonetheless. The first Goliath had the entire army of Israel quaking in their sandals. Men nine-feet-nine and weighing nearly 450 pounds would make anyone quake in whatever footwear they have on.

 

[Bluelion]

Matthew 22, NASB
30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Not that they are genderless, but as the Greek angelos is strictly a masculine pronoun, they are all male. And clearly, there is no sexual activity in heaven. And they are all spiritual beings, which as I said earlier prevents them from having relations with humans. That's just plain common sense.Adam was not created a heavely being. He was created on Earth, to abide on Earth.No, just big. Reference Goliath, Ishbi-benob, Saph, Goliath the Gittite, and the six-fingered giant. They were men. Mere men. Not angels, but fearsome nonetheless. The first Goliath had the entire army of Israel quaking in their sandals. Men nine-feet-nine and weighing nearly 450 pounds would make anyone quake in whatever footwear they have on.

Mat does not say angels can not reproduce or that angels are sexless, what it says is angels do not marry and there is no sex in heaven sense sex is only permitted in marriage.

Can you show me the passage which says all angels are male? If man and woman were created in God's image then it would suggest there are also female angels, also if angels are not given in marriage points to there are female angels, or else there would be no need for Jesus to say such a thing, sense marriage between two men is an abomination.

i don't know of mere men today being 30 feet tall. It is clear this men were different. What made them different, why a new name for them, why were they so evil?

Like i said you can not prove they were not fallen angels just like I can not prove they were.

 

[now faith]

I believe the reference your talking about is in Genesis 6:4 which says, "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

My Bible translates the word Nephilim as meaning "giants". There also appear to be giants referred to in Numbers 13:28,33 as the sons of Anak who made the sons of Israel feel like grasshoppers in comparison. Besides Goliath, there are some other references to giants in 2 Samuel 21:16,20,22.

Either this means that there was a branch of humans from either Abel or Seth who were larger or that somehow God allowed humans to mate with angels or fallen angels. I think it is important to note that God did not condemn the angels in Genesis account, but it says that he was sorry that he had made man on the earth Genesis 6:6. That's a sad commentary for only being 6 chapters into the Bible

What Bible uses the Word Nephilim?
Genesis: 6. 4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
It says they were MEN OF RENOWN.
But you can replace it with flying space monkeys if you want.

How did old Goliath and his brothers survive the flood?
How do we presume anything that is so ambiguous?

 

[now faith]

These type of discussions lead to text with metaphysical religious teaching.
And we use these books as equal authority in God's Word.

They start by interjection of false assumptions,by using terminology never intended to be in the Bible.
You can not find where Angels bred with humans,it never states that.
You can find where Cain murdered his brother and was cast from among Adam and Eve
You can learn that his seed was workers of brass and clearly lived in another civilization than Adams seed.
This mythology takes us down a romantic road along with a woman named Lilith.
She too bred with a Angel.
It also takes us to Satan being 3 persons and Michael the ark Angel being Christ.
That's the road you get on when one phrase in The Bible gets changed to presume a new truth.
do I discount that Angles could have done such a thing?
Yes I do because it is simply not there unless you make some stuff up.
Could the sons of God been from Adam yes.
Could the daughters of men been the seed of Cain yes.
If you try to figure out this circumstance then this is the logical standpoint.
If you want a book of mythology then add what ever you want.

 

[Bluelion]

What Bible uses the Word Nephilim?
Genesis: 6. 4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
It says they were MEN OF RENOWN.
But you can replace it with flying space monkeys if you want.

How did old Goliath and his brothers survive the flood?
How do we presume anything that is so ambiguous?

The NLT uses the word. The word is Hebrew for gaints, that is misleading why would they throw in Hebrew words in an English translations. The KJV is more accurate. So that solves one of my question why the new name for them.

Ok here is another question, trying to stay with in rules here I know you are limited in what you can say if it is a problem PM me with your answer.
Gen 6:2 KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

why does it call them daughters of men. It seems to suggest these were not men.

I'm going by internet strongs here so if you see something wrong point it out please.

Sons means that in Hebrew.

However the word for God here is 'elohiym, now the list for what that hebrew word means in strongs is this.

(plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
(plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God

so according to strongs the word is also used to speak of Angels, divine ones, or rules or judges and God. So the question is is the sons of God rulers and judges and when it speaks of daughters of men meaning common men, or is it speaking of divine ones and the daughters of men meaning Human?

This is why I believe angels. I read in the Bible but I can not find it now, however I know i read it that it said this word for word. The sons of God seeing the women of the earth beauty gave up there place in heaven and came to earth and had sexual relations with women. It is possible this was a Jewish book but I am 99% sure it was the Bible, but I can not find it any where.

I am still on the fence, but lets not forget brothers and sisters none of it matters in terms of salvation, so the question is why are we discussing it I mean its fun don't get me wrong. I do love solving a Good Bible puzzle, but does it really effect us?

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Mat does not say angels can not reproduce or that angels are sexless, what it says is angels do not marry and there is no sex in heaven sense sex is only permitted in marriage.

Which is exactly what I said. Whose post did you read?

Can you show me the passage which says all angels are male?

Ah, I see ... you didn't read a post at all. You skimmed and reacted. Reread the post. The answer is there.

i don't know of mere men today being 30 feet tall.

Show me a verse in the Bible that says the "Sons of God" 30 feet tall? Goliath, as I said, was 9-feet-9-inches. There is record of African men of Zuluian descent who have been over nine feet in height.

What made them different ...

Genetics, I'm sure.

... why a new name for them ...

What "new name"? 'Elohiym was not "new" nor was it a name for men, but a description of duty -- judges, rulers. Only when applied to God did it become a Name.

... why were they so evil?

It doesn't say they were. It says men were evil. By implication, that would include them, as they were also men. But they were no more evil than regular men.

Like i said you can not prove they were not fallen angels just like I can not prove they were.

Actually, it's been proven they were not angels. If not to your satisfaction, I cannot help that.

 

[Bluelion]

Which is exactly what I said. Whose post did you read?Ah, I see ... you didn't read a post at all. You skimmed and reacted. Reread the post. The answer is there.Show me a verse in the Bible that says the "Sons of God" 30 feet tall? Goliath, as I said, was 9-feet-9-inches. There is record of African men of Zuluian descent who have been over nine feet in height.Genetics, I'm sure.What "new name"? 'Elohiym was not "new" nor was it a name for men, but a description of duty -- judges, rulers. Only when applied to God did it become a Name.It doesn't say they were. It says men were evil. By implication, that would include them, as they were also men. But they were no more evil than regular men.Actually, it's been proven they were not angels. If not to your satisfaction, I cannot help that.

Yeah you said in your earlier post and in your second angels could not reproduce. I have asked you to show me the Bible verse which says that you have not, because it does not say that in the Bible you are assuming.

The fact the word is masculine does not mean all angels are male that too is assuming on your part.

all you have given is your opinion and they said it is Biblical fact, but when asked to show the biblical passages you can not because it is not biblical fact.

Like i said at the start the Bible is not clear one way or the other.

 

[now faith]

The NLT uses the word. The word is Hebrew for gaints, that is misleading why would they throw in Hebrew words in an English translations. The KJV is more accurate. So that solves one of my question why the new name for them.

Ok here is another question, trying to stay with in rules here I know you are limited in what you can say if it is a problem PM me with your answer.
Gen 6:2 KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

why does it call them daughters of men. It seems to suggest these were not men.

I'm going by internet strongs here so if you see something wrong point it out please.

Sons means that in Hebrew.

However the word for God here is 'elohiym, now the list for what that hebrew word means in strongs is this.

(plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
(plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God

so according to strongs the word is also used to speak of Angels, divine ones, or rules or judges and God. So the question is is the sons of God rulers and judges and when it speaks of daughters of men meaning common men, or is it speaking of divine ones and the daughters of men meaning Human?

This is why I believe angels. I read in the Bible but I can not find it now, however I know i read it that it said this word for word. The sons of God seeing the women of the earth beauty gave up there place in heaven and came to earth and had sexual relations with women. It is possible this was a Jewish book but I am 99% sure it was the Bible, but I can not find it any where.

I am still on the fence, but lets not forget brothers and sisters none of it matters in terms of salvation, so the question is why are we discussing it I mean its fun don't get me wrong. I do love solving a Good Bible puzzle, but does it really effect us?

Those in Christ are as well called the sons of God in the New Testament.
Using this premise the sons of Adam were of the same adoption as they were obedient to God.
Where as the sons of Cain were offspring of Cain and his disobedience.

 

[Keachian]

I'd go with the Ethiopian Orthodox understanding;
Sons of Seth who were strict in their seeking of God to the point of asceticism and so appeared to have super natural powers being seduced by Daughters of Cain.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Yeah you said in your earlier post and in your second angels could not reproduce. I have asked you to show me the Bible verse which says that you have not, because it does not say that in the Bible you are assuming.

They are all male, assuming that a spirit being can actually be described with a gender label. Obviously the Greek and Hebrew words are masculine pronouns, and the only names we have for angels are male.

The fact the word is masculine does not mean all angels are male that too is assuming on your part.

So, you got many male friends that respond to "she" or "her"?

all you have given is your opinion and they said it is Biblical fact, but when asked to show the biblical passages you can not because it is not biblical fact.

Like i said at the start the Bible is not clear one way or the other.

I note that most of your posts are like this, in that you deny facts by calling them "not facts" or "opinion" regardless of whether that assessment is accurate or not, often in light of overwhelming proof. Therefore it would seem a waste of time to continue discussing something with someone who won't accept any view other than their own, so I will disengage at this point. Have a blessed life.

 

[Bluelion]

They are all male, assuming that a spirit being can actually be described with a gender label. Obviously the Greek and Hebrew words are masculine pronouns, and the only names we have for angels are male.So, you got many female friends that respond to "she" or "her"? I note that most of your posts are like this, in that you deny facts by calling them "not facts" or "opinion" regardless of whether that assessment is accurate or not, often in light of overwhelming proof. Therefore it would seem a waste of time to continue discussing something with someone who won't accept any view other than their own, so I will disengage at this point. Have a blessed life.

what I take as fact is the word of God and is why i asked you to show me the Bible verses.

Your own judgements condemn you, just because i will not take your word for it, you say all my post are like this, I never concede to another point of view. That is a lie it is you who will not admit a neutral grown which i have been trying to reach.

I'll show you your judgement is false just in this thread i took the stance they had different name for this new race of men, to which now faith pointed out it does not say that in KJV to which i researched and found he is right it is a Hebrew word which means giants.

Its amazing how I am condemned in all most every post I make by my so called brothers and sisters. Way to act like Jesus NOT

 

[th1bill]

I just posted this on my blog today because this is such a magnet topic.

Angels And Sex, What A Topic


I have discussed Genesis 6:4 (The [1] Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.) until I have gotten blue in the face.

I, some years back, became so engrossed with understanding this verse that I prayed over it after the Holy Spirit had shown me the truth of it. Why? I needed to be able, not to explain it for anyone's sake, but rather, I need the ability to send others seeking the truth from the Holy Spirit. For this I was led by the Spirit to do some research on the customs of ancient Hebrews. I found that if we know that it was customary for the Hebrew man to consider himself a Son of God this scripture can lose a great deal of it's possibility to be corkscrewed by the Lost Man.

I did not record my research and cannot give anyone the bibliography to follow where the Spirit led me, you will need to approach the Holy Spirit or spend the time, probably hours, in the local library to discover what I am saying. So, what about the Daughters on Men? We must remember that the, so called, Noahdic flood has not, yet, occurred and Cain, for his sin against God, has been exiled. My adventure into the ancient customs taught me the sons and daughters, descended from Cain were known as the sons and daughters of man.

Why God chose to bless the union of Seth's and Cain's descendants with giants when they broke ranks and bred one another I have never cared to examine and I will not trouble my LORD over a reason I do not need to know. But let's examine what I have received from the Spirit of God about the situation these scriptures present.

God and the angels are Spirit beings and from this point we must be very careful because it is, far, to easy to make a mistake and to fall into heresy. As we search the scriptures we do not find an angel appearing to man without a mission God has sent them on. i.e. When Daniel Fasted and Prayed for an answer God dispatched one angel that was detained by Satan's Demon so God dispatched another. The first was involved in a Spiritual battle and the second, Michael, came to fight the Spiritual Prince of evil as the first angel, after 21 days of battle, completed his or it's (your preference) mission, again in the spirit.

God does grant angels a body men can see, He did so in the case Abram and Lot and that is, indeed an important matter to consider. First thing to remember, God has no part with evil. God cannot be fooled because of His foreknowledge of all of His creation. Angel and fallen angels/demons cannot appear in bodily form except God grant them a body to do so. God will not allow evil for the sake of evil and once again I return to the book of Job. Satan was granted permission to harm Job, more specifically, Satan was granted permission to test Job.

God knew what Job would do and God knew job was faithful but Job had no idea what he would do under the circumstances Satan presented him with respect to God. God does not want people that are unsure of themselves. 365 times, one for each day of the year God has taught us to fear not in His Word. (search for it and you should find So How Many Times is Fear Not Actually in the Bible? ) After reading the Bible through a few times I would suggest to you that God allows testing, not for the purpose of Him finding out how we are doing, no, God allows testing that we might recognize and that we might know our strengths.

The same is true of our dealing with the understanding of scripture.

 

[th1bill]

I just posted this on my blog today because this is such a magnet topic.

Angels And Sex, What A Topic


I have discussed Genesis 6:4 (The [1] Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.) until I have gotten blue in the face.

I, some years back, became so engrossed with understanding this verse that I prayed over it after the Holy Spirit had shown me the truth of it. Why? I needed to be able, not to explain it for anyone's sake, but rather, I need the ability to send others seeking the truth from the Holy Spirit. For this I was led by the Spirit to do some research on the customs of ancient Hebrews. I found that if we know that it was customary for the Hebrew man to consider himself a Son of God this scripture can lose a great deal of it's possibility to be corkscrewed by the Lost Man.

I did not record my research and cannot give anyone the bibliography to follow where the Spirit led me, you will need to approach the Holy Spirit or spend the time, probably hours, in the local library to discover what I am saying. So, what about the Daughters on Men? We must remember that the, so called, Noahdic flood has not, yet, occurred and Cain, for his sin against God, has been exiled. My adventure into the ancient customs taught me the sons and daughters, descended from Cain were known as the sons and daughters of man.

Why God chose to bless the union of Seth's and Cain's descendants with giants when they broke ranks and bred one another I have never cared to examine and I will not trouble my LORD over a reason I do not need to know. But let's examine what I have received from the Spirit of God about the situation these scriptures present.

God and the angels are Spirit beings and from this point we must be very careful because it is, far, to easy to make a mistake and to fall into heresy. As we search the scriptures we do not find an angel appearing to man without a mission God has sent them on. i.e. When Daniel Fasted and Prayed for an answer God dispatched one angel that was detained by Satan's Demon so God dispatched another. The first was involved in a Spiritual battle and the second, Michael, came to fight the Spiritual Prince of evil as the first angel, after 21 days of battle, completed his or it's (your preference) mission, again in the spirit.

God does grant angels a body men can see, He did so in the case Abram and Lot and that is, indeed an important matter to consider. First thing to remember, God has no part with evil. God cannot be fooled because of His foreknowledge of all of His creation. Angel and fallen angels/demons cannot appear in bodily form except God grant them a body to do so. God will not allow evil for the sake of evil and once again I return to the book of Job. Satan was granted permission to harm Job, more specifically, Satan was granted permission to test Job.

God knew what Job would do and God knew job was faithful but Job had no idea what he would do under the circumstances Satan presented him with respect to God. God does not want people that are unsure of themselves. 365 times, one for each day of the year God has taught us to fear not in His Word. (search for it and you should find So How Many Times is Fear Not Actually in the Bible? ) After reading the Bible through a few times I would suggest to you that God allows testing, not for the purpose of Him finding out how we are doing, no, God allows testing that we might recognize and that we might know our strengths.

The same is true of our dealing with the understanding of scripture.