Andromeda

[AV1611VET]

That is an assumption based on a very literal interpretation of Genesis.

Okay.

It is unnecessary.

What's unnecessary?

Are you saying allegorists can base their belief on Andromeda as well?

I bring this up again because it seems that this kind if literal interpretation is the foundation of so many problems.

Maybe for some.

Did God create the Milky Way galaxy?

Many of the repels would be rational believers.

Huh?

Can you just answer my challenge without trying to feature creep it, until it doesn't make sense to you?

It's just a simple question with a very simple answer -- (that starts with "w").

I'm only looking for one single word.

Quit trying to make the challenge something it isn't -- or you'll end up confusing yourself and conveying unnecessary accusations on the one who made it.

(Or is that your goal?)

 

[AV1611VET]

According to the Bible, Andromeda was created in 4004 BC.

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

No, but then I don't see any need to do so.

Not into theoretical physics, are you?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not into theoretical physics, are you?

No, I am. (or was)

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I am. (or was)

What's the answer then?

You want multiple choice?

 

[essentialsaltes]

What's the answer then?

My answer was no, I cannot reconcile a 6000 year old galaxy with what I know about the universe.
But I have no need to, because there is no evidence of a 6000 year old galaxy.

 

[AV1611VET]

My answer was no, I cannot reconcile a 6000 year old galaxy with what I know about the universe.
But I have no need to, because there is no evidence of a 6000 year old galaxy.

Well at least you're being honest with yourself.

And I applaud you for having the courage to drop in and say you can't answer it.

I had to appeal to AI Overview for the answer, because I didn't know it myself.

But now I do.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Not by name -- no.



I don't think one has to be a Rhodes scholar to ascertain that ...

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

... includes the Andromeda galaxy.



I also believe He made the Milky Way galaxy, as well as ...

Job 9:9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

From AI Overview:

Some religious perspectives, like those within Christianity, believe God created the universe, including all galaxies, in a specific timeframe.



I do though.

Everything WASN'T created in 4004 BC.

Only those things that God created ex nihilo.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

That phrase, "and all the host of them," would certainly include the Andromeda galaxy.

Ex materia though is a different matter altogether.

Such as when God fed the widow of Zarephath.

1 Kings 17:14 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
15 And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.
16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.



I'm going to disagree here.



So noted.

And I'm not afraid to disagree with you either.

I don't want to converse with any scardey cats anymore than you do.

Look, if you want to believe that the Andromeda Galaxy was made in 4004 B.C., then be my guest and continue to do so. Just don't make insinuations that fellow Christians like myself, who perhaps disagree with you on this point, are somehow 'less' Christian for having disagreed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Look, if you want to believe that the Andromeda Galaxy was made in 4004 B.C., then be my guest and continue to do so. Just don't make insinuations that fellow Christians like myself, who perhaps disagree with you on this point, are somehow 'less' Christian for having disagreed.

Is there any contribution to the challenge that you would like to make?

(Like answering it?)

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Is there any contribution to the challenge that you would like to make?

(Like answering it?)

I can answer it with a "no, I can't reconcile it." I don't know what else to say.

There you go, AV. I've given my contribution.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Huh?

Typo. I mean to say that many of the problems related to your kind of literal approach to Genesis repels potential believers.

Your "challenge" assumes God created Andromeda less than 10,000 years ago. As a matter of faith that is ok for those who have no desire to understand the universe with the help of science. It involves cognitive dissonance for most people who benefit from science (all of us).

So in answer to your question. Andromeda was not created in 4004 B.C.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your "challenge" assumes God created Andromeda less than 10,000 years ago.

"Assumption" aside -- that is correct.

As a matter of faith that is ok for those who have no desire to understand the universe with the help of science.

Indeed.

And re the creation events -- it was all a series of miracles.

So there should be no desire to understand the universe with the help of science, since science didn't apply.

Science can take a hike.

It involves cognitive dissonance for most people who benefit from science (all of us).

The cognitive dissonance occurs when scientists claim we're seeing Andromeda's light as it left Andromeda 2.537 million years ago; instead of correctly saying Andromeda is 2.537 light years away.

So in answer to your question.

Yes? Yes!?

Andromeda was not created in 4004 B.C.

Too bad.

If you knew the answer to this challenge, it would (or should) erase any cognitive dissonance that science gave you.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Science can take a hike.

And yet here you are using a computer as well as many of the other products of science.

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet here you are using a computer as well as many of the other products of science.

Does the science behind my computer violate Scripture in any way?

If not, then computer science is more than welcome to stay.

Does the science behind astronomy violate Scripture?

Yes, indeed -- by claiming the light we see from Andromeda left Andromeda 2.537 million years ago.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Phew! You had me scared there for a minute!

I thought, "Here I go again; making myself look bad with another mistake!"

So, is my question relevant, anyhow? "How old was Adam when God made him?"

I've heard that if Adam was actually 25 years old when God created him, then we have an actual logical contradiction, but I say that the same God who "invented" time is able to do as he pleases with it. It is WE who don't know what time is. In fact, recent physics and cosmic studies would suggest that it is not what we think it is.

I don't know why the light from Andromeda reaching us now, would not be the result of God creating it some 6000 years ago. Is the light no less a thing than the thing God made to produce it? God made it all. Does the thing producing the light do so without God's direction and enabling--God's causation? Does anything do anything apart from God's upholding its existence? Does the light exist apart from God?

 

[DamianWarS]

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

Does it need to be reconciled?