Andromeda

[Mark Quayle]

If you're going to make the mistake of thinking 2.537 light years away means 2.537 years passed before it hit the earth, yes.

Academia teaches that the farther away something is, the older it is.

With God, age and distance mean nothing.

How do you think God heard the sighs of the children of Israel in Egypt in real time?

Not only does sound not travel in space, but isn't it some 46.5 billion light years to the edge of the universe?

We really don't know much, do we! Even when we admit to the 'timelessness' of God, we can only think about it as humans.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I would assume Adam was between 20 and 30 years old the day he was created.

Agreed, but the question is asked as a parallel to the question of the age of the universe. God can do whatever he pleases, to include creating an actually 50-billion-year-old universe in a day. Our concept of time is ignorant, not to mention impotent. We subject it to our assumptions.

 

[AV1611VET]

is that where you're saying God lives?

Exodus 3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians,

How about you tell me then, where He "came down" from?

And be specific.

 

[AV1611VET]

We really don't know much, do we! Even when we admit to the 'timelessness' of God, we can only think about it as humans.

Let me dumb down this challenge even more, to see if you can answer it:

Light from 2.537 billion light years away leaves Point A and arrives at Point B in an instance.

What part of theoretical physics would explain how this is possible?

Hint: It starts with the letter "w" and is eight letters long.

W _ _ _ h _ _ _

There, I added an extra letter.

 

[tharkun73]

Let me dumb down this challenge even more, to see if you can answer it:

Light from 2.537 billion light years away leaves Point A and arrives at Point B in an instance.

What part of theoretical physics would explain how this is possible?

Hint: It starts with the letter "w" and is eight letters long.

W _ _ _ h _ _ _

There, I added an extra letter.

One wonders why someone who chants "science can take a hike" would be appealing to the theory of wormholes to make a point and save one's belief. Especially when said someone probably doesn't understand the first thing about the science and math behind such entities.

 

[AV1611VET]

One wonders why someone who chants "science can take a hike" would be appealing to the theory of wormholes to make a point and save one's belief. Especially when said someone probably doesn't understand the first thing about the science and math behind such entities.

Makes me wonder why someone who says he "breaks for Balrogs" does the same.

 

[tharkun73]

Makes me wonder why someone who says he "breaks for Balrogs" does the same.

Actually, it's "I BRAKE for Balrogs" not "I BREAK for Balrogs". Clearly, accurate reading is not at the top of your list. Regardless, your response does not address the logic of my post.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Let me dumb down this challenge even more, to see if you can answer it:

Light from 2.537 billion light years away leaves Point A and arrives at Point B in an instance.

What part of theoretical physics would explain how this is possible?

Hint: It starts with the letter "w" and is eight letters long.

W _ _ _ h _ _ _

There, I added an extra letter.

"...in an instant.", I expect you mean.

Wormhole (I asked AI).

Alfred E Newton Strikes Again

 

[jacks]

Looking up "wormholes" I found my next bumper sticker:

A white hole connects to a black hole via a wormhole.

Edit: This isn't a joke, that is really the theory.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

One wonders why someone who chants "science can take a hike" would be appealing to the theory of wormholes to make a point and save one's belief. Especially when said someone probably doesn't understand the first thing about the science and math behind such entities.

But some uses of science can take a hike.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Let me dumb down this challenge even more, to see if you can answer it:

Light from 2.537 billion light years away leaves Point A and arrives at Point B in an instance.

What part of theoretical physics would explain how this is possible?

Hint: It starts with the letter "w" and is eight letters long.

W _ _ _ h _ _ _

There, I added an extra letter.

Unfortunately, AV, you can't just posit a Worm Hole as an explanation and expect everyone to instantly see it as a scientific explanation. Neither science nor the philosophical structures of 'explanation' works that way.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, it's "I BRAKE for Balrogs" not "I BREAK for Balrogs".

Typo on my part.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wormhole (I asked AI).

Hey ... I had to ask AI as well.

I wanted to make absolutely sure it was theoretical physics and not experimental physics.

 

[AV1611VET]

Unfortunately, AV, you can't just posit a Worm Hole as an explanation ...

Then how about I let AI do it?

From AI Overview:

Wormholes are a part of theoretical physics.

... and expect everyone to instantly see it as a scientific explanation.

I wanted to see if anyone knew that already.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Then how about I let AI do it?

From AI Overview:

Wormholes are a part of theoretical physics.

Just because cosmologists and science-fiction writers use the idea doesn't mean you should incorporate it to save face for a woodenly literal and inerrant view of Genesis 1.

Personally, I go with an adaption of Stephen Gould's NOMA. It's so much tidier that way and I don't have to posit billions of worm holes to fill in explanatory gaps between Cosmology and the Bible to account for 'why' we see starlight, or the Andromeda Galaxy, the way we do.

I wanted to see if anyone knew that already.

I've known about the concept of wormholes for some time, probably at least since 1979-1980 when I saw the first Star Trek movie and shortly thereafter, Carl Sagan's Cosmos t.v. series.

 

[DamianWarS]

Exodus 3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians,

How about you tell me then, where He "came down" from?

And be specific.

Omnipresence is an immutable characterisitc of God. Scripture will often anthropomorphizes or place location bounds on God but that doesn't mean God is limited by place or time, and if he were he would cease to be God. Scripture does not define these characteristics, they are requirements of being a monotheistic God but if you need scripture here it is:

Psalm 139:7-10
Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast.

Jeremiah 23:23-24
“Am I only a God nearby,”
declares the Lord, “and not a God far away? Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord.

God also doesn't need to hear us to respond. So how fast sound travels is irrelevant. This is from his omniscience, another immutable characterisitc of God

Matthew 6:8b
...for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

 

[sjastro]

Apart from AV being incapable of the seeing the contradiction of science taking a hike while he invokes wormholes, he probably confuses Hollywood with science.

General relativity produces physical and mathematical solutions. Wormholes are a mathematical solution to Einstein's field equations but only Hollywood has found a physical solution.

The Big Bang is a physical universe which is a solution of the field equations.
Kurt Gödel who is better known for giving pure mathematicians heart attacks when it came to proofs found a solution for a mathematical universe.
This was a rotating infinitely large universe which is impossible to visualise and allows travel into one's past.

Another mathematical universe is a de Sitter universe which is empty but expanding.
This one is interesting as our physical universe seems to be evolving into this mathematical universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've known about the concept of wormholes for some time, probably at least since 1979-1980 when I saw the first Star Trek movie and shortly thereafter, Carl Sagan's Cosmos t.v. series.

Then why didn't you apply your knowledge to my challenge and answer it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Then why didn't you apply your knowledge to my challenge and answer it?

Because to posit a theoretical construct is not to demonstrate a conceptual reconciliation.

Besides, with NOMA, reconciliation of physical and geological science with the Bible is superfluous and I have no need to attempt to do so to avoid cognitive dissonance.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because to posit a theoretical construct is not to demonstrate a conceptual reconciliation.

Besides, with NOMA, reconciliation of physical and geological science with the Bible is superfluous and I have no need to attempt to do so to avoid cognitive dissonance.

What is "NOMA"?