Andromeda

AV1611VET · 2025-08-15T20:45:52-0500

According to astronomers, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.537 million light years away.

Allegedly this means we're seeing Andromeda as it existed 2.537 million years ago.

But that's assuming the farther away something is, the older it is.

According to the Bible, Andromeda was created in 4004 BC.

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

Mark Quayle · 2025-08-15T22:04:25-0500

AV1611VET said:
According to astronomers, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.537 million light years away.

Allegedly this means we're seeing Andromeda as it existed 2.537 million years ago.

But that's assuming the farther away something is, the older it is.

According to the Bible, Andromeda was created in 4004 BC.

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

Whoa, wait a minute there. How does something farther away than Andromeda mean it is older than Andromeda? Is Andromeda only 2.537 years old? I would think you mean to say, "...assuming the farther away something is, we are seeing it as it was longer ago than how we are seeing Andromeda", or something like that.

But, I'm curious about what you are getting at.

If you want to know how the Bible can claim Andromeda was created 6,000+ years ago, if we are seeing it as is was 2,537 years ago, I don't know why that is a problem. I should think it would be more of a problem to wonder about, how God could 4000+ years ago create the galaxies that we see billions of light years away. But I know that if God is First Cause, then he "invented" time and he knows it completely and can do anything with it for which he created it. All we've been able to do with time is speculate on it and waste it.

How old was Adam when God created him?

Later: Oh, my bad. I thought you said thousands of light years -not millions.

AV1611VET · 2025-08-15T22:17:36-0500

Mark Quayle said:
Whoa, wait a minute there. How does something farther away than Andromeda mean it is older than Andromeda? Is Andromeda only 2.537 years old? I would think you mean to say, "...assuming the farther away something is, we are seeing it as it was longer ago than how we are seeing Andromeda", or something like that.

But, I'm curious about what you are getting at.

If you want to know how the Bible can claim Andromeda was created 6,000+ years ago, if we are seeing it as is was 2,537 years ago, I don't know why that is a problem. I should think it would be more of a problem to wonder about, how God could 4000+ years ago create the galaxies that we see billions of light years away. But I know that if God is First Cause, then he "invented" time and he knows it completely and can do anything with it for which he created it. All we've been able to do with time is speculate on it and waste it.

How old was Adam when God created him?

Later: Oh, my bad. I thought you said thousands of light years -not millions.

Phew! You had me scared there for a minute!

I thought, "Here I go again; making myself look bad with another mistake!"

Yttrium · 2025-08-16T01:06:39-0500

AV1611VET said:
According to astronomers, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.537 million light years away.

Allegedly this means we're seeing Andromeda as it existed 2.537 million years ago.

But that's assuming the farther away something is, the older it is.

According to the Bible, Andromeda was created in 4004 BC.

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

Sure. Looking through the evidence and the scientific research, I conclude that it's likely that we are seeing Andromeda as it existed 2.537 million years ago. Meanwhile, I see no mention of the age of Andromeda in the Bible. I conclude that it's most likely that your Biblical interpretation is incorrect.

David Lamb · 2025-08-16T02:01:06-0500

AV1611VET said:
According to astronomers, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.537 million light years away.

Allegedly this means we're seeing Andromeda as it existed 2.537 million years ago.

But that's assuming the farther away something is, the older it is.

According to the Bible, Andromeda was created in 4004 BC.

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

Like you, I believe in a comparatively young earth. However, the bible does tot say that Andromeda was created in 4004BC. 4004BC was the year decided upon by Archbishop Ussher. I don't believe tat the bible goves us such an accurate date for Creation.

As for those who say that the universe must be millions/billions of years old or we would not see the very distant stars, I would say that God created them with their light already reaching the earth. Genesis says:

“14 ¶ Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 “and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. [He made] the stars also.” (Ge 1:14-16 NKJV)

They wouldn't be much use as signs if man had to wait millions of years to see them!

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-08-16T03:12:09-0500

The only way to explain it theoretically is that time in our Solar System passes VERY slowly compared to the time outside of our Solar System which passes VERY quickly.

... I think.

AV1611VET · 2025-08-16T07:40:15-0500

David Lamb said:
However, the bible does not say that Andromeda was created in 4004BC. 4004BC was the year decided upon by Archbishop Ussher. I don't believe tat the bible gives us such an accurate date for Creation.

I only use Ussher's dates as a reference point.

He may have been off by a couple hundred years, but it makes little difference when discussing it with those who believe in deep time.

AV1611VET · 2025-08-16T07:41:38-0500

David Lamb said:
They wouldn't be much use as signs if man had to wait millions of years to see them!

I agree 100%

AV1611VET · 2025-08-16T07:42:19-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
The only way to explain it theoretically is that time in our Solar System passes VERY slowly compared to the time outside of our Solar System which passes VERY quickly.

... I think.

The answer I'm looking for starts with the letter w.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-08-16T08:30:08-0500

AV1611VET said:
The answer I'm looking for starts with the letter w.

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey?

AV1611VET · 2025-08-16T09:11:02-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey?

How'd you know!?

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-08-16T09:16:13-0500

AV1611VET said:
How'd you know!?

:shrug:

ETA: What's the code for the shrug emoji? I can never get it.

AV1611VET · 2025-08-16T09:26:26-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
:shrug:

ETA: What's the code for the shrug emoji? I can never get it.

I don't know.

There's : swoon : and : scratch :

AV1611VET · 2025-08-16T09:28:07-0500

There's also: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-08-16T09:29:58-0500

AV1611VET said:
I don't know.

There's : swoon : and : scratch :

I was certain there was a shrug one.

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