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Hi barbarian,
Hopefully we'll finally be able to get some answers into all these allegations and the validity thereof. Of course, all of this would be moot if President Trump would choose to be a bit more forthcoming in his financial dealings. We see that pretty much every time he goes away for a weekend jaunt that he chooses to stay in one of his branded resorts. Now, that's not all bad, but who's making the money from those stays? Is the government getting a particularly fair price for those stays? It would seem pretty logical that his desire to stay in his resorts when on these trips could certainly be perceived as a conflict of interest if he's pocketing money, as the director, CEO or whatever his position is for these resorts. I'm not saying it's bad, but he just isn't forthcoming in trying to give the public any assurances that it is.
Secondly, the way that he responds to these various investigations allows for some suspicion also. He's having his lawyers send notices to people that are scheduled to appear before the various committees that they have to expose their testimony to him or his office before they testify. That just isn't the way investigations work and it certainly raises questions as to 'why' he would feel the need to vet someone's testimony concerning his dealings before the actually give that testimony before any committee. He attempts to threaten them with legal troubles if their testimony might reveal something that he thinks should not be revealed. Even when Nixon was in trouble with Watergate he didn't try to get people to come to him first to reveal what their testimony before a committee would be. Bottom line, in pretty much any court proceeding or delivering of legal testimony, that would be considered coercion.
Finally, he's on record as having threatened fellow republicans that if they don't get on board and support his agenda no matter how good or bad it might be, that they're going to be in trouble from him when they come up for reelection. Now, I'm sure that presidents before have considered trying to oust people who aren't favorable to them in future elections, but no one has ever just publicly gone out and said that's their intention and it certainly, added to all the other ways he's been dealing with those who are not faithful to him as he understands what it means to be faithful, raises more questions as to his integrity.
All of these issues, and a few more, just cause me to say, "what?"
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
Hopefully we'll finally be able to get some answers into all these allegations and the validity thereof. Of course, all of this would be moot if President Trump would choose to be a bit more forthcoming in his financial dealings. We see that pretty much every time he goes away for a weekend jaunt that he chooses to stay in one of his branded resorts. Now, that's not all bad, but who's making the money from those stays? Is the government getting a particularly fair price for those stays? It would seem pretty logical that his desire to stay in his resorts when on these trips could certainly be perceived as a conflict of interest if he's pocketing money, as the director, CEO or whatever his position is for these resorts. I'm not saying it's bad, but he just isn't forthcoming in trying to give the public any assurances that it is.
Secondly, the way that he responds to these various investigations allows for some suspicion also. He's having his lawyers send notices to people that are scheduled to appear before the various committees that they have to expose their testimony to him or his office before they testify. That just isn't the way investigations work and it certainly raises questions as to 'why' he would feel the need to vet someone's testimony concerning his dealings before the actually give that testimony before any committee. He attempts to threaten them with legal troubles if their testimony might reveal something that he thinks should not be revealed. Even when Nixon was in trouble with Watergate he didn't try to get people to come to him first to reveal what their testimony before a committee would be. Bottom line, in pretty much any court proceeding or delivering of legal testimony, that would be considered coercion.
Finally, he's on record as having threatened fellow republicans that if they don't get on board and support his agenda no matter how good or bad it might be, that they're going to be in trouble from him when they come up for reelection. Now, I'm sure that presidents before have considered trying to oust people who aren't favorable to them in future elections, but no one has ever just publicly gone out and said that's their intention and it certainly, added to all the other ways he's been dealing with those who are not faithful to him as he understands what it means to be faithful, raises more questions as to his integrity.
All of these issues, and a few more, just cause me to say, "what?"
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
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Hi RC,
Good catch. I missed the dating of the article I looked up. Yes, this issue is done. After 14 days of being submitted, if there hasn't been any debate the bill would automatically advance for a vote. I'm guessing that it must have been pulled or voted down. I can't seem to find any info on the outcome.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
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Just the first one. As Trump's base begins to realize what he's doing to them, republicans are starting to realize that they don't want to have to defend his bizarre behavior.
It's not going away. It's only going to get worse.
It's not going away. It's only going to get worse.
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Why Trump needs to fear even his own base:
Everyone in Washington is trying to figure out why President Trump’s agenda has stalled on multiple fronts and why his approval numbers are swirling down the toilet. CNN’s Chris Cillizza suggests Trump’s penchant for disruption and chaos actually works against him. (I agree.) Others point to Trump’s failure to forge relationships on Capitol Hill.
Still others say the problem is congressional Republicans. Trump’s social media director has called for a primary against a House conservative who opposed Trump’s health plan, which may have violated a law designed to keep government officials from swaying elections. Some GOP groups are reportedly mulling adstargeting GOP lawmakers who don’t vote with Trump. Thus, the problem is their disloyalty.
All this has some truth to it. But here’s another overarching reason for Trump’s travails: As his campaign promises are getting translated into concrete policy specifics, Americans are recoiling from the results. What’s more, this process is unmasking the disconcerting levels of dishonesty, bad faith, and lack of concern for detail and procedure that are rotting away at the core of his agenda and approach to governing, all of which is plainly working against him.
Opinion | Why is Trump flailing? Because Americans hate his agenda, and it’s based on lies.
Everyone in Washington is trying to figure out why President Trump’s agenda has stalled on multiple fronts and why his approval numbers are swirling down the toilet. CNN’s Chris Cillizza suggests Trump’s penchant for disruption and chaos actually works against him. (I agree.) Others point to Trump’s failure to forge relationships on Capitol Hill.
Still others say the problem is congressional Republicans. Trump’s social media director has called for a primary against a House conservative who opposed Trump’s health plan, which may have violated a law designed to keep government officials from swaying elections. Some GOP groups are reportedly mulling adstargeting GOP lawmakers who don’t vote with Trump. Thus, the problem is their disloyalty.
All this has some truth to it. But here’s another overarching reason for Trump’s travails: As his campaign promises are getting translated into concrete policy specifics, Americans are recoiling from the results. What’s more, this process is unmasking the disconcerting levels of dishonesty, bad faith, and lack of concern for detail and procedure that are rotting away at the core of his agenda and approach to governing, all of which is plainly working against him.
Opinion | Why is Trump flailing? Because Americans hate his agenda, and it’s based on lies.
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I'm part of his "base", and I'm still glad I didn't vote for Hillary.
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Running a government is vastly different than running a company that you actually own. This is supposed to be a government "of the people, by the people and for the people". The Donald fails on all three points.
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What did he actually do that failed on those points? People can run a company that they don't own. That's what managers do.
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The Donald is presently in a learning curve. It would have been much better for him and us if he had paid attention in high school and had learned of the checks and balances in the USA governmental system. Congress is not a board of directors that can be manipulated at his whims.
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Ah, one of the 34%....I wondered if I'd ever meet one...you guys becoming so rare 'n' all.....
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How's it gone so far, with Trump stonewalling information?
U.S. President Donald Trump's approval rating has sunk to a new low of just 36 per cent, making it more difficult to find support from within his own party.
Donald Trump’s approval rating hits its lowest mark since the inauguration
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The same could be said against any president in history. Wasn't there any time when Obama and his people tried influencing members of Congress to pass a bill he wanted? Didn't he have anything at all to say to them to get Obamacare passed? Lobbyists swarm capitol to influence health reform | Center for Public Integrity It's just the normal course of politics for a president to do so.
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