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Perhaps it's a thousand seven thousands. And we're living in the sixth seventh thousand of sevens.

In other words, I can make up things too.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The word 'rapture' is actually not a word that appears in the Bible. The last days are the days of Jesus' return, when it's all fulfilled and done.
There are some strong arguments against the pre-trib rapture, but this isnt one of them. The word "trinity" isnt in the Bible. The word "bible" isnt in the Bible. Even though the word "rapture" isnt in the english Bible, the event it represents, is in the Bible.
 
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Point taken. But the rapture is a false teaching from the 1830's ferociously preached since then and many other movements outside of Christianity, like 7th adv, Mormonism was born round the same time.

christianforums(com)blogs/u327866-e82893/
 
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Point taken. But the rapture is a false teaching from the 1830's ferociously preached since then and many other movements outside of Christianity, like 7th adv, Mormonism was born round the same time.

christianforums(com)blogs/u327866-e82893/
People believed in a pre-trib rapture before the 1830's

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Perhaps it's a thousand seven thousands. And we're living in the sixth seventh thousand of sevens.

In other words, I can make up things too.

-CryptoLutheran
Instead of making things up, you should study to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, as you are shaming yourself with making things up.
 
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Instead of making things up, you should study to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, as you are shaming yourself with making things up.
I'm not sure what you assert here yeshuasavedme.

You're the one that appears to be making things up. There's nothing that makes the application you're making...


That is something you cannot prove. It is "theoretic theology" based on theory of "seven millenniums", in an attempt to apply age to the creation.

It probably ties itself to 2 Peter 3:8, 9...which is hardly giving us 1000 years for each day. Many go beyond what the passage is saying by calling each day of creation 1000 years.

It imposes something not implied. If Peter wanted to tell us "a thousand years IS a day", he would have said that.

Peter says "that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."

It is a comparative phrase made to say what it doesn't. It's easily received by many because of the use of the number seven, and how God uses seven is the scriptures.

It's a theological theory though...nothing more.
 
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Which time?

The Parousia of the Lord mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4 is the same Parousia mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15.

The Parousia is the Parousia. The Bible mentions only one Parousia.

If St. Paul had wanted to teach two parousial events, then he would have done so. But no where in any of his writings, or in the rest of the New Testament, is there anything to suggest there are two parousial events--just the one, the Parousia.

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Instead of making things up, you should study to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, as you are shaming yourself with making things up.



-CryptoLutheran
 
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Ressurection yes, Rapture no.
 
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Here is an interesting thought...

If the Parable of the 10 virgins is not describing a pre-trib rapture, but instead, is describing our gathering back to Christ (second coming) at the end of the tribulation, then how are they able to "buy" oil without having the mark of the beast?

Matt 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Matt 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matt 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Matt 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Matt 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Matt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Matt 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Matt 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Matt 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Matt 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Matt 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 
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that's because those 5 "Christians" were faithful up till a certain point
but then were deceived by the false Christ

they have the mark of the beast.
their"temple" is defiled.
they've been seduced
they are not virgins
they are harlots
they can't marry Christ

now, that does not mean God is completely done with them.
He will refine them in the Mill...that's what it's all about
 
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the 6th seal is not His wrath.
it's the signs that precede His wrath

the 6th seal is the people of the world seeing those signs,
and knowing that it is the last day
which is the day of His Coming, the Resurrection of the Just, the rapture, and His wrath

they know it's the "THAT DAY" of scripture, and try to hide from it
because they were worshiping the false Christ, seduced/deceived/beguiled
 
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