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[Guojing]

No, that is not what I believe. I do not see how you got to that as a belief.

Thanks for clarifying, so when you said "bishops are the successors of the apostles", you actually believe bishops today are equivalent to apostles, such as Paul?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Thanks for clarifying, so when you said "bishops are the successors of the apostles", you actually believe bishops today are equivalent to apostles, such as Paul?

They are the pastors of their diocese; they have ruling authority. Saint Paul wasn't a bishop in that sense as far as I know. Saint Peter was, as were some others mentioned in the scriptures.

 

[Guojing]

They are the pastors of their diocese; they have ruling authority. Saint Paul wasn't a bishop in that sense as far as I know. Saint Peter was, as were some others mentioned in the scriptures.

So is that a yes or no?

 

[Always in His Presence]

You tell me if you think that Jesus made a mistake because I do not think he did.

I do not believe he did. Even when he chose Judas to be the 12th

 

[ARBITER01]

bishops are the successors of the apostles.

This is how churches can depart from scripture and mislead. GOD changes not, the pattern of leadership is fixed in 1 Corinthians. Bishops didn't somehow overtake apostles as the top leader of the body of Christ.

We must trust GOD and His words, not necessarily churches and their people.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

This is how churches can depart from scripture and mislead. GOD changes not, the pattern of leadership is fixed in 1 Corinthians. Bishops didn't somehow overtake apostles as the top leader of the body of Christ.

We must trust GOD and His words, not necessarily churches and their people.

Indeed, bishops are considered the successors of the apostles, governing their dioceses as pastors over the faithful in that area. This has been the consistent view of the Church.

 

[Guojing]

Indeed, bishops are considered the successors of the apostles, governing their dioceses as pastors over the faithful in that area. This has been the consistent view of the Church.

So is God still giving apostles to the church today?

Still waiting for your yes or no answer.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

So is God still giving apostles to the church today?

Still waiting for your yes or no answer.

Yes, but we call them bishops and they do not write new scripture.

 

[Guojing]

Yes, but we call them bishops and they do not write new scripture.

And they no longer have the signs of the apostles, 2 Corinthians 12:12, as well.

Would you agree with that?

 

[ARBITER01]

Indeed, bishops are considered the successors of the apostles, governing their dioceses as pastors over the faithful in that area. This has been the consistent view of the Church.

Sorry, but you guys and your church departed from scripture in this area when you shouldn't have.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

And they no longer have the signs of the apostles, 2 Corinthians 12:12, as well.

Would you agree with that?

Some may, but it seems you have an agenda and are determined to follow it through. I'll be on the sidelines observing. I have some soup, and I might even grab some popcorn.

 

[Guojing]

Some may, but it seems you have an agenda and are determined to follow it through. I'll be on the sidelines observing. I have some soup, and I might even grab some popcorn.

I am merely trying to establish that you do apply the past tense to some gifts, specifically apostleship.

My original point to you was here And he gave ...