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Oh I get you. You were asking for nuts and bolts as in science, hard facts. The nuts and bolts of the matter. OK.Only because you insisted on "sciencing" it.
I am not sure what you mean.Well, it is obvious that technology has made humans weaker and less intellectual, just look at what was completed in the past.
Which was built by the Romans, not the ancientsYes I always get them mixed up. Yes Baalbek which has the Trilithon with 3 mega blocks weighing 800 to 900 tons. With a couple more still in the ground weighing up to 1600 tons.
I thought your whole point was about moving very large individual stones. 1-2 tons does not qualify.In the case of the pyramid its regarded as a megalith because of its overall size.
We know.Though it does contain some 100 plus ton blocks inside.
Being unfinished may have been a clue that it was too big to move.The largest single block would have to either be the unfinished Obelisk which is around 1200 tons or theres a couple of statues at around a 1,000 tons or more.
Provide a wikipedia link, because everything I can find under "Ramesseum" doesn't look like this and is much smaller.This is the Ramesseum Statue and like many of the works was found smashed like some catastrophy had hit them. But it was around 1,000 tons. You can see the humans for scale.
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The block that was used to carve this statue would have been 1500 tons and was transported from Luxor 170 miles away. The face has the same geometric precision as the smaller versions. You can see the fine details of ribs, knee and shin bones and all polished in detail out of rose granite.
My main problem is that you are lumping in all of the 'big rocks" and asking for a comprehensive explanation for all of them. There is no reason to think the same methods were used, and the methods seem to have been invented for specific situations independently.Later statues had nowhere near as much size or detail. Strange that such precision and fine work would come from the earliest kingdoms and even predyanstic Egyptains.
Actually I have not ignore it. Don't assume my not believing the orthodox view is ignoring the orthodox view. The experiements and explanations go nowhere near explaining what we find.
Electrodes? SMH.Maybe its others ignoring the obvious that the tools found in the records are completely inadequate for explaing what we find.
Did I mention they found electrodes in the northern shaft of the Queens chamber in the Giza pyramid. Just saying. If you want to use what has been found in the archeological records than what about electrodes. What would they be used for.
Symmetry is not an argument.
It's kind of how math became harder for kids after the invention of the calculator. Now backtrack through all the technologies that made things "easier" for us.I am not sure what you mean.
Actually evidence is showing it is pre Roman. Often later cultures find these megaliths and then use them, built on top of them. You can see the difference in stonework between the Romans and the trilithon and not just the size.Which was built by the Romans, not the ancients
You assumed wrong. I have not just mentioned meg blocks relating to ancient tech and knowledge but also mega works which include the entire structures for that time like the giant pyramids and temples and, precision works like smaller statues, boxes and vases.I thought your whole point was about moving very large individual stones. 1-2 tons does not qualify.
Actually the black granite boxes under the Serapeum of Saqqara are a 100 tones each.We know.
Yet they moved as big blocks on many occassions. Like I said some of the blocks for the large statues are up to 1500 tons and moved 170 miles from the quarry.Being unfinished may have been a clue that it was too big to move.
OkProvide a wikipedia link, because everything I can find under "Ramesseum" doesn't look like this and is much smaller.
Actually I am pointing out different aspects of ancient tech and knowledge and asking for evidence for each individually. The mega blocks is about logistics. Though the question of how they were cut or shaped is related to cutting and finishing which is a seperate aspect. But I am focusing on logistics for these megablocks and statues ect.My main problem is that you are lumping in all of the 'big rocks" and asking for a comprehensive explanation for all of them. There is no reason to think the same methods were used, and the methods seem to have been invented for specific situations independently.
Yeah the possible electrodes they found in the shaft of the queens chamber. Very strange.Electrodes? SMH.
It is for ancient knowledge and tech in how primitive people could create perfect symmetry with simple tools like copper chisels and stone hammers.Symmetry is not an argument.
Yeah I get you now. Yes this is true. Look at how we use to dismiss Indigenous knowledge as superstition only to now realise they had some insight and knowledge about how nature worked. Now we are using this to help the environment.It's kind of how math became harder for kids after the invention of the calculator. Now backtrack through all the technologies that made things "easier" for us.
That one gave "explanations" as "ancient aliens" "lost tech" and "lost civilizations". It's just an other psuedoarcheology site, not new scholarship.Actually evidence is showing it is pre Roman. Often later cultures find these megaliths and then use them, built on top of them. You can see the difference in stonework between the Romans and the trilithon and not just the size.
The construction of the Trilithon and other megaliths predates Roman involvement, suggesting that earlier civilizations played a crucial role in laying the foundation of Baalbek.
Forgotten Stones of Baalbek, Lebanon: The Mysteries Behind Ancient Megaliths
Discover the history and engineering marvels of the Forgotten Stones of Baalbek in Lebanon. Explore the mysteries, myths, and cultural significance of these ancient megaliths.www.bioscience.com.pk
Assumed wrong about what? That there were large blocks in the pyramids?You assumed wrong. I have not just mentioned meg blocks relating to ancient tech and knowledge but also mega works which include the entire structures for that time like the giant pyramids and temples and, precision works like smaller statues, boxes and vases.
Actually the black granite boxes under the Serapeum of Saqqara are a 100 tones each.
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Yet they moved as big blocks on many occassions. Like I said some of the blocks for the large statues are up to 1500 tons and moved 170 miles from the quarry.
That's what I thought it was, but I saw nothing in the article indicating that the statue was known to be a single piece.Ok
Wiki even has the same pic of the broken up statue. Its not the smaller upright statues but the one broken next to these (The fallen Ozymandias Colossus) which was around 1,000 ton but 1500 ton before cut and transported 170 miles. .
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Disasters happen. Did you know that that sea on the edge of Egypt is a rift valley?Here is a foot from a statue at Tanis and a hand from an even bigger statue at karnak. Both 1,000 plus tons and the granite was transported 100's of miles from the quarries. These statues were standing and would have been around 100 feet tall. Similar to the statue of Liberty. But made of the hardest stone granite and finished to an amazing detail compared to later statues.
If you notice the standing statue in the background the foot is as big as the entire platform it is standing on. So this was a massive statue. The strange thing is like other sites these ancient works were found in ruins, all smashed up and spread all over the place like some disaster hit them.
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Actually I am pointing out different aspects of ancient tech and knowledge and asking for evidence for each individually. The mega blocks is about logistics. Though the question of how they were cut or shaped is related to cutting and finishing which is a seperate aspect. But I am focusing on logistics for these megablocks and statues ect.
Please don't/I have gone through precision seperately and this is another aspect of tech and knowledge related to how the toold in the records are completely inadequate to produce those results. How later dynasties could not replicate these early works and their level was inferior. Which seems back the front. Nevertheless such precision for an early time.
But I am happy to gothrough each aspect in detail.
Sigh.Yeah the possible electrodes they found in the shaft of the queens chamber. Very strange.
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It is for ancient knowledge and tech in how primitive people could create perfect symmetry with simple tools like copper chisels and stone hammers.
The later Egyptians did not seem to be able to match this and its only found in the earliest dynasties of the old Kingdom and even predynasties.
Ah he spots the word alien and its a trigger to reject all else. The evidence and view that the trilithon stones predate the Romans his a widely supported view from mainstream archeology.That one gave "explanations" as "ancient aliens" "lost tech" and "lost civilizations". It's just an other psuedoarcheology site, not new scholarship.
No that my entire argument was just about moving mega blocks. I mentioned the pyramid as a megalith due to its size overall as part of the tech ancient of ancient megalithic cultures.Assumed wrong about what? That there were large blocks in the pyramids?
Ah you can go and find all the pieces and see how it was made as one piece. If it was made in section it would have had cut lines through it and stacked like the Roman sandstone pillars.That's what I thought it was, but I saw nothing in the article indicating that the statue was known to be a single piece.
I don't know what happened. Maybe an earthquake. But the strange thing is that the same thing has happened to many of these ancient sites across the world. They all have a similar story that they found the megaliths usually broken and scattered and they attributed them from the gods.Disasters happen. Did you know that that sea on the edge of Egypt is a rift valley?
Why the Atlanean theory? Why not just go through the evidence step by step and see what it presents. Its not about any theory except revealing the facts on the ground.What are we to do with this evidence? Surrender to the Atlanean theory?
OK. I can't anyway because they the authorities seem to have shut this all down since the discovery. This is what usually happens when they find contrary evidence that undermines the orthodox narrative.Please don't/
Sigh.
I don't know what happened. Maybe an earthquake. But the strange thing is that the same thing has happened to many of these ancient sites across the world. They all have a similar story that they found the megaliths usually broken and scattered and they attributed them from the gods.
That makes sense. But these earthquakes would have happened at least 5,000 years ago if not earlier. Because many of the culture like Egytians and Incas have stories that mention finding these megaliths and precision works and then repairing them and building around them as center pieces of honor to the gods.It's called the:
Red Sea Rift - Wikipedia
with a continuation to the:
Dead Sea Transform - Wikipedia
Lots of earthquakes, not so many of the other things.
Given that Egyptian material culture and Egyptian writing are more overlapping than Inca, let's stick to the Egyptians.That makes sense. But these earthquakes would have happened at least 5,000 years ago if not earlier. Because many of the culture like Egytians and Incas have stories that mention finding these megaliths and precision works and then repairing them and building around them as center pieces of honor to the gods.
(perhaps = speculation) Where are these massive floods? Where are these "giant ripples"? The only floods I know of are the ones in the Pacific Northwest, and we know what caused them and it does't have anything to do with ancient civilization.Perhaps this aligned with the great floods that also covered much of the Turky, middle east, parts of Europe and north America. Giant ripples found across the landscape. The mass of water disturbing the tectonic plates and all sorts of chaos happening which may hve wiped out many people and animals.
Pointless speculation. Demonstrate the first items first.Then these later cultures come along and find these works as though theee previous culture disappeared. To be remembered as something from the gods. The stories also coincide with flood stories.
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