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Ok. It is a big and complex topic.This post was ridiculously long, it took me about a dozen screens to scroll through it. That is unwieldy to respond too, especially given that once I create a reply I have to scroll through all of that to find the text in my post that you were responding to in your post. I'm going to try to respond to most of it, but in topical chunks. Please do not try to relink them together or go into stuff outside that particular topic.
It was meant to support the fact that a big part of cultures back then all over the world was reading the skies and putting that into their glyphs. They lived by the seasons, the Solstis, Equinox, procession, star constellations.This is not even related to any of the sites you've previously quoted. It has nothing to do with any astronomical intepretations of the Göbekli Tepe carvings.
True but my point was we can know that this engineering professor had some knowledge because he is supported by the actual experts who have produced similar findings independent of his work.I'm not quite sure what the research of engineering professors are, but none have any relevant experience to the attempted work.
So basically 4 or 5 independent researchers come to similar findings. Like I said if a culture like Gobekli Tepe was around to either witness the final stages of a comet coming to earth near to where they lived surely they would have mentioned this considering that we have proven beyond doubt that cultures during that time included astrological and religious glyphs.If there are you should find them in the author lists of his papers. (This new one below is a single author paper, no astronomers or other relevant researchers on the team apparently.)
Yes so obviously when one ventures into a specialised field, perhaps related will need to do a lot of research. Just like any writer of tru life and not necessarily being an expert in all fields. It is possible especially if one comes from the sciences to begin with.Measuring an ancienet site is surveying, while this is a skill civil engineering students learn as do archeologists. (Sweatman is a materials engineer. No surveying needed for that field.) The positions of stars is astronomy. No engineers needed for that even materials engineers.
I'm not having a good run with these am I. lol Its like how many electricians does it take to change a light bulb. Just one. So it is with experts. It doesn't matter if they don't have all the qualifications as long as they do the research and if the experts also agree then you know you are on the right track.At this point I have to insert a bit from further up, because you actually repeated some "citations" within the post and this one:
Oh great. The Scottish engineer is playing historical astronomer and anthropologist again.
As the evidence shows its more thaaan noise. And Gobekli Tepe is not the only culture.They found an alignment to a stellar event. So what. No evidence beyond speculation is given why the setting point of Deneb would matter to the builders of those structures. None. An importance based on an interpretation (Greek astrology) far closer to our time than theirs is utterly unconvincing. I'm sure if I tried hard enough I could find a "meaningful" astronomical event aligned to the not-quite N-S orientation of the ridge line of my roof. If their alignment had been to the setting or rising of the Sun on one of those special days (like a solistice or equinox) as is found at Stonehenge it would be plausible. Instead this is nothing more than academic noise.
Yes evidence has been found for a comet air burst around Turkey 12,000 years ago.Not near Turkey.
Ok I have several articles on this and most speak of the ice melts Pulse Melt 1A and 1B as part of the melt from the comet his or airbursts that heated large sections of ice.I said " Third comets have no connection to a glacial outflow flood event in the Arctic or anywhere else. "
To which you replied:
And then posted these links.
Which make a claim that the Younger Dryas climate shift was cause by comet impacts and DO NOT make the claim that those comets triggered floods. Do you even parse what was written before posting 3 links?
They are pictures (to the extent that they can be identified) of things found in the local environment of the culture (animals, etc.). Claiming they are constellations (especially anything like our Greek constellations) and projecting thing like catastrophes, lost knowledge, etc. is just fantasy. There is just no justification for such a claim.It was meant to support the fact that a big part of cultures back then all over the world was reading the skies and putting that into their glyphs. They lived by the seasons, the Solstis, Equinox, procession, star constellations.
So they would have seen a big comet getting closer and closer to the earth and mentioned that in their glyphs. Why wouldn't they if they are recording other stuff happening in the sky.
This is to support the point that we can and are decoding these ancient glyphs and they tell us of a catastrophe that happened around 12 to 14,000 years ago.
This is also reflected in the stories of the ancient cultures themselves. They all speak of a lost knowledge, of a great disaster that happened in the past.
This is also reflected in the precision and megalith works which seem to stop and are replaced by smaller and less precise works in softer stones. I don't think these are all coincidences.
Steve, If you want to discuss the Younger Dryas meltwater pules open a thread in P&BS where it belongs and we can discuss it there. I don't think "History" is the appropriate category for events happening before the invention of writing.Ok I have several articles on this and most speak of the ice melts Pulse Melt 1A and 1B as part of the melt from the comet his or airbursts that heated large sections of ice.
Ah so its ok to talk about this until you don't want to and it then suddenly becomes irrelevant to our discussion. You said "Third comets have no connection to a glacial outflow flood event in the Arctic or anywhere else. "Steve, If you want to discuss the Younger Dryas meltwater pules open a thread in P&BS where it belongs and we can discuss it there. I don't think "History" is the appropriate category for events happening before the invention of writing.
Thats what they said about the catastrophe that wiped out the dinosaurs and they ended up being wrong.
Comprehensive refutation of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis (YDIH)
Abstract
A series of publications purport to provide evidence that the Earth was subjected to an extraterrestrial event or events at ∼12.9 ka creating an environmental cataclysm and the onset of the Younger Dryas stadial. The varied and sometime conflicting speculations in those publications have become known collectively as the “Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis” (YDIH). As the YDIH has evolved, it has yet to converge into a hypothesis with a self-consistent scenario involving orbital dynamics, impact physics, geology, geochemistry, paleobotany, paleoclimatology, and anthropology. The YDIH invokes a cosmic event at a moment in time to explain complex processes that varied in space and time around the globe. No craters have been identified that date to the onset of the Younger Dryas. The physical evidence offered in support of an impact is nano to microscopic in scale, e.g., charcoal, carbon spherules, magnetic grains/spherules, nanodiamonds, and Pt minerals to name a few. However, many have critical issues with their identification, measurement, and interpretation. Furthermore, most are associated with terrestrial processes not uniquely associated with impacts or periods of abrupt climate change. Very few sites with high levels of any of the purported indicators have accurate and high-precision dating to 12.9 ka. The identification and quantification of several purported impact indicators is also questionable. The claim that a suite of supposed indicators is unique to that moment is not substantiated with data. There is no obvious evidence of environmental cataclysm at that time in the vast published geomorphic or paleobotanical records. There is no support for the basic premise of the YDIH that human populations were diminished, and individual species of late Pleistocene megafauna became extinct or were diminished due to catastrophe. Evidence and arguments purported to support the YDIH involve flawed methodologies, inappropriate assumptions, questionable conclusions, misstatements of fact, misleading information, unsupported claims, irreproducible observations, logical fallacies, and selected omission of contrary information. In this comprehensive review of the available evidence, we address and draw attention to these critical failings. We demonstrate that research in numerous fields has shown the YDIH should be rejected.
They did what? Demonstrate it and provide a mechanism for "telekinesis" to function.The missing link is occultism. The ancients used supernatural powers like telekinesis in the place of technology. There was no advanced technology.
The reason why they didn't last was because the powers were demonic and it resulted in their ruin.
If machinery was used, parts would have been left behind from wear and tear.
The missing link is occultism. The ancients used supernatural powers like telekinesis in the place of technology. There was no advanced technology.
The reason why they didn't last was because the powers were demonic and it resulted in their ruin.
If machinery was used, parts would have been left behind from wear and tear.
I was very clear in my earlier post: This is a science topic and it should be discussed in the science board. This sub-sub section is not for the kinds of debates we've had. (Just look at the other sections under: "society and leisure").Ah so its ok to talk about this until you don't want to and it then suddenly becomes irrelevant to our discussion. You said "Third comets have no connection to a glacial outflow flood event in the Arctic or anywhere else. "
and
Which make a claim that the Younger Dryas climate shift was cause by comet impacts and DO NOT make the claim that those comets triggered floods.
I then replied that the links I supplied link a comet hit or air pulse with the ice melt flooding during the Younger Dryas. How is my logical reply to what we were talking about suddenly constitute making a new thread. It was a reasonable follow on to what we were discussing.
Remember your challenging that these ancient people did not have knowledge of these events in the glyphs or that they had advanced knowledge full stop. The discussion about the glyphs and astronomical, geometric and other advanced knowledge is related to ancient advanced knowledge. Like the Egyptians and the atronomy, math and geometry of the vases, statues, boxes, and megaliths like the pyramids.
I got the idea when reading the arguments, occultism would make more sense.That is hilarious and just as racist as the idea put forward by the OP.
I got the idea when reading the arguments, occultism would make more sense.
I'm glad you found it funny.
I wasn't there. How could I be?So, just to check, you weren't being serious.
I wasn't there. How could I be?
That's true, I've seen people say jokes with a straight face and never admit it too.It is the internet. I've seen people see much stranger things with a serious face.
Thats what I thought and why I put it under science or more towards the hard sciences. But the mods moved it not me.I was very clear in my earlier post: This is a science topic and it should be discussed in the science board. This sub-sub section is not for the kinds of debates we've had. (Just look at the other sections under: "society and leisure").
Take it back to science and we'll talk.
So, do you have any nuts or bolts that fell out of the alien space ships?Thats what I thought and why I put it under science or more towards the hard sciences. But the mods moved it not me.
Though I still maintain that the social sciences is another line of evidence.
We have a few threads in the science section on ancient tech I think anyway.
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