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Ancient hymns

Lukaris

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The tragedy is that some of these were corrupted by Gnostics. So some clearly retain a certain Orthodoxy, but others have been mangled beyond repair. This I regard as a tragedy, as I do think it likely these were hymns used in the very early church, and it is perhaps because of the pseudipgraphical status and the Gnostic tampering with them that they disappeared from the liturgy.

Speaking of the Odes however, among ancient hymns we have the NIne Odes, the nine Biblical canticles that comprise the type of Orthodox hymn known as a Canon, in which each Ode is either the canticle itself, or more commonly, a hymn based on it that connects the contents of the canticle with the liturgical observance.

These include two of the three Evangelical Canticles from the Gospel of Luke, as well as several Old Testament canticles such as the Song of Habbakuk and Benedicite Omni Opera from Daniel.
Is it possible that the Odes of Solomon might be a victim of bad publicity? What I mean is that they may not have been widely well known and a few were appropriated & quoted by gnostics in the Pistis Sophia writing. From that, the Odes maybe fell into suspicious reputation and ended up discarded?


Interestingly, the Odes have been rather well received by many Evangelical Christians. There are some scholarly writings within their circles re these hymns.

For ex. from an evangelical preacher. It seems he has a series of articles on this and his archive seems a little jumbled but this introductory article is good.


 
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Is it possible that the Odes of Solomon might be a victim of bad publicity?

That’s basically my thought - some Gnostics corrupted some of them, and then they were dumped entirely for reasons of pastoral care, since who could be sure he had a clean set vs. a mutilated set, with some subtle heresy embedded therein?

The early Gnostics were insidious. I believe they were not just forging, but also corrupting, early Christian texts, and so what we have is the result of the second century Orthodox Christians acting to limit the spread of this by not taking chances with certain marginal texts largely redundant. We see this in, for instance, the insistence of St. Irenaeus of Lyons that there were only four legitimate canonical Gospels.
 
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That’s basically my thought - some Gnostics corrupted some of them, and then they were dumped entirely for reasons of pastoral care, since who could be sure he had a clean set vs. a mutilated set, with some subtle heresy embedded therein?

The early Gnostics were insidious. I believe they were not just forging, but also corrupting, early Christian texts, and so what we have is the result of the second century Orthodox Christians acting to limit the spread of this by not taking chances with certain marginal texts largely redundant. We see this in, for instance, the insistence of St. Irenaeus of Lyons that there were only four legitimate canonical Gospels.
Yes, I think the “ Gospel” of Thomas is a major example of this. Years back in TAW, I posted an example of such manipulation.

 
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Yes, I think the “ Gospel” of Thomas is a major example of this. Years back in TAW, I posted an example of such manipulation.


Indeed. It contains subtle Gnostic interpolations, which if one knows Orthodox theology and also if one knows about the different Gnostic sects, for example, if one has read St. Irenaeus and St. Epiphanios of Salamis, one can detect them, but someone reading it who has not benefitted from such knowledge in advance is at risk of being deluded.

The tragedy with that document is that it might well have at one time been a legitimate text, maybe not written by the Holy Apostle Thomas, but nonetheless a useful list of sayings attributed to Our Lord, which had been compiled by someone to help in preaching, perhaps in the Syriac speaking eastern areas of the Church in Syria, Mesopotamia, Persia and India, where St. Thomas evangelized, as it was not until the third century that they had the benefit of a translation of the four canonical Gospels (the Vetus Syra, which would later be replaced by the Peshitta). However, my hypothesis is that this legitimate document was acquired by Gnostics of the Syrian school (as there are traces of Syrian Gnosticism in it specifically, although the text of the work was written in Coptic and found in Egypt, but it could well be a translation; I don’t recall if anyone has done enough philological analysis to say what language it originally might have been written in but if I recall, it is thought to have been translated), and then subtly corrupted in such a way as to provide an entry point for their teaching.

The result would be directly analogous to how the Jehovah’s Witnesses have modified the Gospel according St. John the Theologian and certain other texts in order to make it look like their neo-Arian heresy is scripturally based. And likewise the heresiarch Marcion famously modified the Gospel according to St. Luke the Evangelist, but he was in such a state of prelest* that he did so openly, since he believed all content contrary to his beliefs was not authentic.

*For the benefit of people unacquainted with Eastern Orthodox theology who may be reading this thread, prelest is an Orthodox theological term used to refer to a state of spiritual delusion.
 
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Pretty much any version of the troparion for the Holy Cross. The OCA's Diocese of Mexico sang it beautifully in Spanish during the All-American Council and I regret not recording it!

I'm also a fan of the Georgian Paschal Troparion.
 
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Pretty much any version of the troparion for the Holy Cross. The OCA's Diocese of Mexico sang it beautifully in Spanish during the All-American Council and I regret not recording it!

I'm also a fan of the Georgian Paschal Troparion.

I love Georgian three-part harmony.
 
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