With the current situation in Iraq and the international communties views on the military, I'm just wondering what this means. Should we abolish all military and all law personell? Shoul the law of the jungle be the only law with which society should live by? I only ask, as apparently, there are more folks who support this kind of scenario, whether they would like to admit it or not.
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Anarchy Reigns
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psychedelicist
aka the Akhashic Record Player
Most anarchist movements are for 'spontaneous order' rather than 'enforced order'. The pop-punk-consumerized version is all about stealing whatever you want from whoever you want, etc. That is not what anarchy is about, the hateful have no place in anarchy.
I would support anarchy if I had faith enough that mankind could generate this 'spontaneous order' without falling into mayhem and violence. Even if we were able to, though, it would probably only be a matter of time before it slowly faded into enforced order and we're back where we started.
Though I must admit I agree with your last sentence, there is a kind of guilty pleasure in me about living in an every man for himself kind of world, and more people would fantasize about this than they would admit, but very few truly wish for it. There is (hopefully) a difference in most people's minds between what they think might be cool and what they know to be best for society, and free for all anarchy isn't it.
Rational anarchy is a bit more complex, I think, than most people paint it out to be.
I would support anarchy if I had faith enough that mankind could generate this 'spontaneous order' without falling into mayhem and violence. Even if we were able to, though, it would probably only be a matter of time before it slowly faded into enforced order and we're back where we started.
Though I must admit I agree with your last sentence, there is a kind of guilty pleasure in me about living in an every man for himself kind of world, and more people would fantasize about this than they would admit, but very few truly wish for it. There is (hopefully) a difference in most people's minds between what they think might be cool and what they know to be best for society, and free for all anarchy isn't it.
Rational anarchy is a bit more complex, I think, than most people paint it out to be.
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There exist levels of military action that I would think worse than open anarchy, and others I'm not inclined to care much about.
If, to defend our way of life, we must give it up in favor of a fundamentally military society, we have no freedoms or liberties to protect, so the exercise is pointless.
I am less sure about the general case. I have seen some people argue persuasively that Christians should eschew positions of force, on the grounds that there are plenty of non-Christians to take them on...
But in the end, this is too hard a question for us mortals to answer.
If, to defend our way of life, we must give it up in favor of a fundamentally military society, we have no freedoms or liberties to protect, so the exercise is pointless.
I am less sure about the general case. I have seen some people argue persuasively that Christians should eschew positions of force, on the grounds that there are plenty of non-Christians to take them on...
But in the end, this is too hard a question for us mortals to answer.
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Just Me Garry
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I live in the United States but I do not agree with the government. Bush wants to take over the entire globe.
Here is an interesting website to look at although I do not agree with everything they are talking about.
http://www.antipasministries.com/
Here is an interesting website to look at although I do not agree with everything they are talking about.
http://www.antipasministries.com/
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EverlastingMan
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If theres a heaven it will be a lot like the s utopia but on this earth is doomed. We will always mess it up
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Rygel
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I voted for number three, because we do need the military and police to function as a society. However, each citizen should be allowed the means with which to defend him or herself, and each citizen should be able to employ those means.
People should not depend on the police to protect them from criminals.
People should not depend on the police to protect them from criminals.
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Just Me Garry said:
I firmly believe George Bush was in rebellion against God when he broke international law, defied the U.N. and invaded Iraq. Such things could precipitate a third world war. Iraq needs the absence of U.S. led troops immediately. They need U.N. troops to stabilise and rebuild Iraq. However, only prayer will bring them healing and deliverence.
Also it is on record that there has been a great escalation in recruitment of terrorists and world terrorism since the actions of the Bush government and largely as a response to it.
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AbideInChrist said:
Sorry, but the troops the UN provides isn't the greatest in the world. Those who are in the U.S. military are having to take care of three things at once in this war, and we need the UN to assist in at least one major aspect of that. We need them to come in and take over humanitartian efforts and reconstruction projects. As for the policing and door to door fighting, I think we should remain in charge, with the Iraqis taking control of it more and more as the months progress.
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Until such time when everyone makes decisions based on reason we will need laws and law enforcers.
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Skydancing
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No sane person would wish anarchy to reign supreme, there has to be some sort of law and order hopefully based on the democratic process!
Where Iraq is concerned it would appear that the invasion only made a bad situation much worse!
Where Iraq is concerned it would appear that the invasion only made a bad situation much worse!
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The law has it's place in this society, unfortunately. However, I think there should be far, far fewer laws, and a butcher knife by taken to our insanely fat government.
I also believe every person should be able to survive on their own, independent of government.
I also believe every person should be able to survive on their own, independent of government.
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