Anabaptist truth

[WayneinMaine]

I know there are Mennonites in the UK. I will try to find some information about them.



I would doubt it. The Amish and conservative Mennonites are strongly anti-technology. They don't even have electricity or plumbing in their houses.

Not quite accurate. See anabaptists.org, there is likely something on that site about tongues speaking.

 

[ZiSunka]

Not quite accurate. See anabaptists.org, there is likely something on that site about tongues speaking.

Well, Daniel, I doubt Renewed will ever know as much about the Amish as you do.

 

[vespasia]

JoeB
The Uk does have Anabaptists; I live in the UK and I am in fellowship with Open Brethren.

The London Mennonite Centre should be able to get you in contact with other Mennonites http://www.menno.org.uk/node/10

This should answer questions about the UK Brethren http://www.facingthechallenge.org/brethren.htm
or via here http://www.partnershipuk.org/main/siteindex.html . Please do not be put off by the use of the word 'evangelical chapel' many of the open brethren adopted this in the 1980's as an indication of their willingness to share Christ.

To the best of my knowledge we do not have any Amish communities in the UK.

There are some insular 'exclusive brethren' but they do not use the web at all.
The Plymouth Brethren still exist, again they do not use the web.


Hope this helps

 

[brother daniel]

JoeB
The Uk does have Anabaptists; I live in the UK and I am in fellowship with Open Brethren.

The London Mennonite Centre should be able to get you in contact with other Mennonites http://www.menno.org.uk/node/10

This should answer questions about the UK Brethren http://www.facingthechallenge.org/brethren.htm
or via here http://www.partnershipuk.org/main/siteindex.html . Please do not be put off by the use of the word 'evangelical chapel' many of the open brethren adopted this in the 1980's as an indication of their willingness to share Christ.

To the best of my knowledge we do not have any Amish communities in the UK.

There are some insular 'exclusive brethren' but they do not use the web at all.
The Plymouth Brethren still exist, again they do not use the web.


Hope this helps

How far can we go with this? If we were to speak the message of the early Anabaptist's we would be considered flaming. The Historic Anabaptist's of Switzerland and the Netherlands were very evangelistic and totally reform minded.

Today's Anabaptist denominations seem to have settled into sectarian comfort. But the message I get from the gospels and the letters of Peter suggests that we can expect fiery trials of our faith.
With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[RenewedbyFaith]

I must know different Anabaptists than you do Daniel. I know hundreds, perhaps thousands of Mennonites who are very active evangelically, and willing to put themselves into firey situations to help the wounded, sick, needy and frightened, in the name of Christ. I have a friend right now who is ministering to people in a war zone, helping the wounded on both sides of the conflict.

Who are these lazy and comfortable Anabaptists you speak of? Where are they? How many of them are there?

It's really not right to make such an accusation without facts to back up your claim.

 

[WayneinMaine]

How far can we go with this? If we were to speak the message of the early Anabaptist's we would be considered flaming. The Historic Anabaptist's of Switzerland and the Netherlands were very evangelistic and totally reform minded.

Today's Anabaptist denominations seem to have settled into sectarian comfort. But the message I get from the gospels and the letters of Peter suggests that we can expect fiery trials of our faith.
With love in Christ
brother daniel

That's an interesting point. It seems though that the evangelistic zeal of the Anabpatists only lasted one generation, possibly two or three among the Hutterites. The shift from being radical zealots trying to turn the world upside down to being the "quiet in the land" probably have had more impact on the practices and ideas of the Anabaptist denominations than the practices and beliefs of their founders.

 

[brother daniel]

That's an interesting point. It seems though that the evangelistic zeal of the Anabpatists only lasted one generation, possibly two or three among the Hutterites. The shift from being radical zealots trying to turn the world upside down to being the "quiet in the land" probably have had more impact on the practices and ideas of the Anabaptist denominations than the practices and beliefs of their founders.

Yes and it here that I differ with denominational Anabaptist's.

"In the mid-1500s persecution and evangelistic impulses pushed the frontier of the Mennonite church from Holland to the Vistula Delta of Poland near Danzig. Polish nobles welcomed the newcomers to their estates as farm laborers. The Mennonite immigrants drained swampy lowlands, built farms and, despite restrictions, established churches. For 250 years (1540–1790), Mennonites lived in religious and cultural isolation. They developed a lifestyle of religious tradition, cultural conservatism and lack of missionary vision that caused them to be known as “The Quiet in the Land.”
The area came under Prussian rule in 1772. The pressure of Prussian militarism under Frederich the Great made it increasingly difficult for the non-resistant Mennonites. Mennonites’ refusal to pay taxes to support the state church and the military establishment together with government restrictions on the purchase of more land for their growing families forced them to look for a new home.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...et+in+the+land+menno&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

The fire of the Holy Spirit was quenched and calling of Jesus for disciples to become "fishers of men" was neglected. The power to Evangelize was gone.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[WayneinMaine]

I must know different Anabaptists than you do Daniel. I know hundreds, perhaps thousands of Mennonites who are very active evangelically, and willing to put themselves into firey situations to help the wounded, sick, needy and frightened, in the name of Christ. I have a friend right now who is ministering to people in a war zone, helping the wounded on both sides of the conflict.

Who are these lazy and comfortable Anabaptists you speak of? Where are they? How many of them are there?

It's really not right to make such an accusation without facts to back up your claim.

There are indeed many dedicated Mennonites and even Amish and Hutterites spreading the good news of the kingdom of God and living their lives for others. Some of this "revival" though has come about as a result of assimilating Evangelical Protestant theology or political liberalism, so it is not the same as the "gospel" on which these groups were founded.

The Mennonites and other groups did enter a long period of quiescence, actually agreeing to not preach the gospel outside of their own families in exchange for tolerance and a chance to prosper; that is how they became the quiet in the land. There are men like Peter Hoover for example (author of "The Secret of the Strength") who are trying to wake these churches up again. There are others who are trying to build anew on the same foundation.

 

[brother daniel]

There are indeed many dedicated Mennonites and even Amish and Hutterites spreading the good news of the kingdom of God and living their lives for others. Some of this "revival" though has come about as a result of assimilating Evangelical Protestant theology or political liberalism, so it is not the same as the "gospel" on which these groups were founded.

The Mennonites and other groups did enter a long period of quiescence, actually agreeing to not preach the gospel outside of their own families in exchange for tolerance and a chance to prosper; that is how they became the quiet in the land. There are men like Peter Hoover for example (author of "The Secret of the Strength") who are trying to wake these churches up again. There are others who are trying to build anew on the same foundation.

Thank you brother Wayne,

The subject here is Anabaptist truth, not Mennonite truth. If this forum was a Mennonite forum I would be in the wrong place.

As I study the history of Christianity, from the book of Acts onward we see the apostasy or falling away has happened over and over again for the same reasons.

The brethren have forsaken the trials of living the gospel for the sake of political correctness personal security and prosperity.

When I encounter a person who rises up to defend their denomination, I am concerned for that person because It shows a lack of study and maturity in Christ.

It doesn't matter to me what denomination a person was instructed in as long as they agree with Jesus call to discipleship and study the scriptures.

I have learned from and been corrected by brethren of every denomination when they were upholding the standard of Jesus.

My own life is being reformed daily by living the word of God. I have many times hit plateaus of comfort and security and had to forsake them for the sake of the gospel. There are many people who I love and enjoy their company but because they don't understand the calling of a disciple, I have been unable to continue fellowship with them. That would be sad if I didn't know Jesus would lead and use me according to his purpose.

There is no simple formula or method for salvation. The Gospels are our road map. We start out by faith and are corrected as we walk it off.

Even Peter was rebuked and corrected by Paul, a Johnny come lately compared to Peter.

The words of Jesus will bring division, between those who are called to live it and those who don't hear it or agree with it.

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Mat 10:35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mat 10:36And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.

Mat 10:37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


The first Anabaptist's started with home church meetings that grew into congregations of strict believers ready to die horrible deaths rather than compromise their faith in the resurrecting power of Jesus.

I meet those kind of people today on the highways and byways of life. They have without exception been rejected by family, friends and church groups of all kinds because they believe Jesus has commanded us to be his disciples, forsake the world and spread the gospel sharing what we have as we go.

Many were as young Christians battered and shunned by so called Christians before they were even grounded in the gospel of Jesus and scripture.

I see them visiting this and other forums looking for a clear word of truth yet always suspecting hypocrisy.

I am not hiding, anybody can visit me and examine my faults. But Jesus Christ is the rock I stand on and with his help I will endure until the end

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

With love in Christ
brother daniel